Final Form Magian Weapons

[NynJa]

You are very wrong here. Herculean Slash was patched at some point and it's 3.5 fTP and 60% VIT and its one of the best ele WS for brew.

I went by what was written there
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.p...&oldid=1275001

I presume you must be Nanashi14 14? Either that, or its someone lurking here. Regardless, They should have filled in the 200% and 300% with 3.5 though as TP isnt a damage mod. "Paralyzes target. Duration of effect varies with TP. "

THF/RDM or NIN/RDM (the subjob you should be using for AE on these jobs)...*blah*...Using Martial Knife with the proper subjob and gear .

Martial Knife is all but non existant on my server. The moment its on AH, its practically snatched up immediately. I know of 5 people camping them (inb4 dont be a jew and spend 50$ server transferring for one).

Secondly...how the hell does someone change jobs in the middle of abyssea?

If you're using the average Aeolian Edge numbers that Nynja posted to get that 13%, those numbers are subject to resists and ftp variations. Therefore, those numbers are meaningless when trying to determine the amount of MAB during brew because the values are not consistent.

If youre spamming...which you should be...there shouldnt be much variance as to when the WS is fired. Elemental WS's return the same amount of TP every time (dont miss, dont multihit, no offhand from DW), and the only TP gain incured should be from a melee attack round sneaking through between WS's, getting hit by the target(s) via melee or a spell or TP move. The above factors mean all Aeolians in my logs, short of the initial ones, would have been fired between 105% and 120%TP. The Initial ones sometimes could have been fired at 104,154 or even 204 from lotting on item before martelocking.

[Pebe]

Something quick, random, and off topic!

I think i broke shinryu yesterday. I wanted a twilight belt so i went to solo it on cor with wildfire. Atmas were lone wolf, ultimate and smoldering sky. Opened with fire shot with af3+2 boots for the damage boost, and then shot of a wildfire. Shinryu dead. The first shot did 2380ish and the wildfire did 1580... Is it possible to do so much damage that game doesn't show it? I wonder if I broke 99,999 hmmmmm, i doubt it.

[Arthars]

there has been reports and SS that you hit over a certain amount of damage and log shows the overflowed damage and shinryu dies in 1 hit

[Gabai]

Something quick, random, and off topic!

I think i broke shinryu yesterday. I wanted a twilight belt so i went to solo it on cor with wildfire. Atmas were lone wolf, ultimate and smoldering sky. Opened with fire shot with af3+2 boots for the damage boost, and then shot of a wildfire. Shinryu dead. The first shot did 2380ish and the wildfire did 1580... Is it possible to do so much damage that game doesn't show it? I wonder if I broke 99,999 hmmmmm, i doubt it.

This is the reason why.

[Kidnoftle]

You are very wrong here. Herculean Slash was patched at some point and it's 3.5 fTP and 60% VIT and its one of the best ele WS for brew.

Oh. Was going off otherwiki info. Well then, guess I'm going w/ that lol.

[Xera]

If youre spamming...which you should be...there shouldnt be much variance as to when the WS is fired. Elemental WS's return the same amount of TP every time (dont miss, dont multihit, no offhand from DW), and the only TP gain incured should be from a melee attack round sneaking through between WS's, getting hit by the target(s) via melee or a spell or TP move. The above factors mean all Aeolians in my logs, short of the initial ones, would have been fired between 105% and 120%TP. The Initial ones sometimes could have been fired at 104,154 or even 204 from lotting on item before martelocking.

Do you WS in any MAB gear? WS Gorget/Belt?

[NynJa]

Im at work, but i think i use the following

Anwig (WSDmg)/artemis/mold/pixie(need hecate, lazy)
Loki/af3+2/demon(mab+2)/jupi
Cuchu/aquiline/denali/lithe

As i said, some gearswaps may have failed from spamming on ws and gear doesnt change becuz im in a menu. I think next time ill lock in my gear so that doesnt happen

[Mojo]

I assumed if you were multibrewing Dragua that you were cleaving mandies for pop sets, in which case RDM subjob is superior again.

[NynJa]

Suck less

[Mojo]

use the right subjob? lol

[Mojo]

Also, Belt/Gorget are best in slot while under brew.

[Mafai]

While on the subject of ele-brewing, I figured I'd ask.

I have mules with mage jobs only (WHM BLM BRD) with tons of cruor and 200k brews...

I'm currently working on h2h, and I think katana next my main concern is 85 > 90 obviously. With tons of cruor to blow, what are the best WS's to use on my mules, what atmas, and equip sets (being reasonable considering mules)?

My main char has 90 Ukon, so for Dragua farming I saw someone saying AOE'ing mandys is pretty good?

[Arthars]

can cleave anything fast that link or aggro

for brewing with magic WS, you dont even need gears. you just need the correct atmas and a HQ staff to brew decently and still able to take down 3-5 dragua i suppose. Since its a mule, baying moon/ultimate/element atma should not be hard to get(unless ur mule didnt been to ultima before)

good gear for brew sure helps alil..but i think the main thing is atmas and since its mules brewing, i doubt u would care if that brew kill 1 less dragua

my pocket thief can kill 3 isgebind with 1 brew using evis(aeolian suck on it), so im sure you can kill at least 4 dragua with a correct magic WS on dragua

[Mafai]

can cleave anything fast that link or aggro

for brewing with magic WS, you dont even need gears. you just need the correct atmas and a HQ staff to brew decently and still able to take down 3-5 dragua i suppose. Since its a mule, baying moon/ultimate/element atma should not be hard to get(unless ur mule didnt been to ultima before)

good gear for brew sure helps alil..but i think the main thing is atmas and since its mules brewing, i doubt u would care if that brew kill 1 less dragua

my pocket thief can kill 3 isgebind with 1 brew using evis(aeolian suck on it), so im sure you can kill at least 4 dragua with a correct magic WS on dragua

Hmm, I was thinking flash nova, but I should do staff (Cataclysm?) instead?

So HQ staff for Cata, martial wand for flash nova?

[Mojo]

I did about half my Dragua in one sitting cleaving mandies for random people to leech EXP and open boxes, it's aeons faster than trying to do the shitty KI NM. You can cleave easily on RDM although you'll want a THF around for when you do Dragua for TH3+. Build 15x azure first on your RDM and then switch to some melee atmas to build pearl. Check the Dominion Tactician to see what the frequent pyxide discovery rate is at. Multiple that number by 3 and subtract it from 20 and I'd say that's all you need to cap pearl. Then switch to Gales/Ultimate/Hell's Guardian (or Beyond) and head to mandies. Put Phalanx II up and gather up all the mandies there are and just start spamming Aeolian Edge. My NIN can kill them all in two WS, but you'll need Martial Knife and HG to do this.

I recommend shouting for people to just key all your boxes. Saves you lots of effort. I also built Ruby when I did it this way though because EXP is terrible without it. We were pushing 250k/hour at one point, so it gets pretty good for leeches (and for your cruor.)

For brewing you can use Cataclysm on those mage jobs. Cosmos, Ultimate, probably smiting blow, Pluto's Staff and as much MAB gear as you can (also Shadow Gorget/Belt if you have.)

[Mojo]

Also, it is possible to do 6x dragua on a single brew, just very difficult. 5 is much more realistic as long asyou don't suck. 4 may be more reasonable to expect if you have to dual box and shit.

[NynJa]

Suck less

lmao, I dont even know why I wrote that, I was finishing up my break and was too lazy to write more on my iPhone.

I was doing other stuff in altep, most notably farming up a Rani set, I'd have to be extremely lucky to do that nin/rdm.


Knowing which is the winning atma set to use, I can easily do 5 Draguas. And Also, you should be a boss and pull in Hazhilda and just aoe it down with brew and hope KI loads naturally :D

[Xera]

Im at work, but i think i use the following

Anwig (WSDmg)/artemis/mold/pixie(need hecate, lazy)
Loki/af3+2/demon(mab+2)/jupi
Cuchu/aquiline/denali/lithe

As i said, some gearswaps may have failed from spamming on ws and gear doesnt change becuz im in a menu. I think next time ill lock in my gear so that doesnt happen

Can you do at least one WS with sekki, without the Anwig and Artemis. Way to many variables complicating the formula to back calculate. Dragua definitely has some sort of MDB.

Side Note: For what it's worth, OtherWiki has wrong WSC on Aeolian Edge, it's 28DEX/28INT. Not sure why it was changed, the testing that lead to the change was off 8 damage in their fINT.

Hmm, I was thinking flash nova, but I should do staff (Cataclysm?) instead?

So HQ staff for Cata, martial wand for flash nova?

fTP on Flash Nova is only Flash accuracy, it's a flat 3 fTP with 30STR 30 MND mod.
Cata is, fTP 2.75 | 4 | 5. 30STR 30INT. (Assuming Studio Gobli is correct here, I haven't personally tested yet.)

Cata should come out way ahead since staff affinity.

[Mojo]

Going back to Transcendency MAB. +900 MAB would indeed be 1000/100 and those tests seem to confirm this. However, I'm still somewhat reluctant to evaluate how well it affects elemental weaponskills. It seems like I got a pretty big boost out of going from Ultimate/Gales/MM > Ultimate/Gales/Beyond when I brewed it. The most marginal gains Beyond would have added would be 3.15%, just doesn't seem right. Maybe the +900 MAB is only affecting nukes or something? Also, in regards to variations within AE. Mine were always usually around 18500 (for first WS with 300% TP) then 16500 (100 TP + martial knife bonus.) It did fall on occasion due to maybe resists or resist build up, but I'd say it's at least somewhat accurate to use for ballpark figures. This was with gales/beyond/ultimate/martial/rdm subjob/novio/hecate's/soil gorget & belt of relevant gear.

[Ticktick]

just a guess, but it could be something like 400 MAB and 100% magic affinity for all elements.