Final Form Magian Weapons

**zagex** · 2011-02-28 17:50

Originally Posted by NynJa

If youre spamming...which you should be...there shouldnt be much variance as to when the WS is fired. Elemental WS's return the same amount of TP every time (dont miss, dont multihit, no offhand from DW), and the only TP gain incured should be from a melee attack round sneaking through between WS's, getting hit by the target(s) via melee or a spell or TP move. The above factors mean all Aeolians in my logs, short of the initial ones, would have been fired between 105% and 120%TP. The Initial ones sometimes could have been fired at 104,154 or even 204 from lotting on item before martelocking.

You have 6 seconds between WS, which means there's a lot of melee attack rounds "sneaking through". And there are plenty of weird numbers like 8k and 10k. What I'm saying is that looking at the average of all of the WS in order to compare the averages is meaningless.

You have to discard some of the data in order to compare the averages. Those initial WS that were higher than 150 TP need to be thrown out along with anything that looks like a resist.

**Xera** · 2011-02-28 17:56

Originally Posted by Mojo

Going back to Transcendency MAB. +900 MAB would indeed be 1000/100 and those tests seem to confirm this. However, I'm still somewhat reluctant to evaluate how well it affects elemental weaponskills. It seems like I got a pretty big boost out of going from Ultimate/Gales/MM > Ultimate/Gales/Beyond when I brewed it. The most marginal gains Beyond would have added would be 3.15%, just doesn't seem right. Maybe the +900 MAB is only affecting nukes or something? Also, in regards to variations within AE. Mine were always usually around 18500 (for first WS with 300% TP) then 16500 (100 TP + martial knife bonus.) It did fall on occasion due to maybe resists or resist build up, but I'd say it's at least somewhat accurate to use for ballpark figures. This was with gales/beyond/ultimate/martial/rdm subjob/novio/hecate's/soil gorget & belt of relevant gear.

The numbers match up, I was able to get within 10 damage of Nynja's numbers before I gave up due to lack of Moon Phase info and exact fTP.

The Aeolian hitting that Wyvern in his sample suggests Dragua has around 80~90 MDB or similar type of damage reduction. At high MAB, that much MDB will effectively half the damage down.

Originally Posted by Ticktick

just a guess, but it could be something like 400 MAB and 100% magic affinity for all elements.

That would be

42 * 5.00 * 2= 420

but if you consider when I added MAB in the original test, damage was 425.

42 * 5.13 * 2= 430.92.

Fairly sure its the same term.

~

For future tests, at the very least do your first WS at 300TP for a consistent fTP. Also won't be any resist build issues being the first WS.

**Taint** · 2011-02-28 20:21

Originally Posted by Arthars

can cleave anything fast that link or aggro

for brewing with magic WS, you dont even need gears. you just need the correct atmas and a HQ staff to brew decently and still able to take down 3-5 dragua i suppose. Since its a mule, baying moon/ultimate/element atma should not be hard to get(unless ur mule didnt been to ultima before)

good gear for brew sure helps alil..but i think the main thing is atmas and since its mules brewing, i doubt u would care if that brew kill 1 less dragua

my pocket thief can kill 3 isgebind with 1 brew using evis(aeolian suck on it), so im sure you can kill at least 4 dragua with a correct magic WS on dragua

3 isge is impressive I've tried a number of different times and always fall short on #3.

**NynJa** · 2011-02-28 20:55

Originally Posted by NynJa

Im at work, but i think i use the following

Anwig (WSDmg)/artemis/mold/pixie(need hecate, lazy)
Loki/af3+2/demon(mab+2)/jupi
Cuchu/aquiline/denali/lithe

As i said, some gearswaps may have failed from spamming on ws and gear doesnt change becuz im in a menu. I think next time ill lock in my gear so that doesnt happen

<set name="WS">
<ammo>Thew Bomblet</ammo>
<head>Anwig Salade</head>
<neck>Love Torque</neck>
<lear>Pixie Earring</lear>
<body>Skadi's Cuirie</body>
<hands>Raid. Armlets +2</hands>
<lring>Epona's Ring</lring>
<waist>Warwolf Belt</waist>
<legs>Hecatomb Subligar</legs>
<feet>Hct. Leggings</feet>
<back>Atheling Mantle</back>
</set>

<elseif spell="Aeolian Edge">
<action type="castdelay" delay=".2" />
<action type="Equip" when="precast" set="WS" />
<action type="Equip" when="precast">
<head>Maat's Cap</head>
<body>Loki's Kaftan</body>
<neck>Breeze Gorget</neck>
<rear>Moldavite Earring</rear>
<waist>Aquiline Belt</waist>

<lring>Demon's Ring</lring>

<back>Assassin's Cape</back>
<legs>Denali Kecks</legs>
<feet>Lithe Boots</feet>
</action>

THAT's what I was using...though looking at it now it needs a couple more tweaks.

adding extra rules for if brew is active is PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs tho

**Yugl** · 2011-02-28 21:00

All you're doing is changing WS set for brew right? Just make a group for brew.

**Iremire** · 2011-02-28 21:29

Would flash Nova work well on isge plan on brewing mine and fails last few hearts this weekend.

**Acorn** · 2011-02-28 22:31

Sanguine blade was doing nearly 14k on isgebind, I saw a guy do 4 on one brew. 4 per brew should be easy with the right atmas as long as you don't get terrorized. If you get terrorized don't waste 4th pop unless you have a backup plan

atmas were cosmos, banisher, and ultimate

2 kills is max with flash nova

**NynJa** · 2011-02-28 23:23

Just used Flash Nova on Rani (NO RING WITH TH AND BLUE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK)...was doing 5-6k (Holy Mount/Ult/Sea Daughter for TP gain to proc blue)

**Fievel** · 2011-02-28 23:34

Originally Posted by NynJa

Just used Flash Nova on Rani (NO RING WITH TH AND BLUE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK)...was doing 5-6k (Holy Mount/Ult/Sea Daughter for TP gain to proc blue)

No matter what ele WS I use on her I don't get good results :/ smite did well @16k per though :O

**NynJa** · 2011-02-28 23:43

Originally Posted by Fievel

No matter what ele WS I use on her I don't get good results :/ smite did well @16k per though :O

16k really? I brewed with my Vere mule too...lesson learned.

**Arthars** · 2011-02-28 23:43

Originally Posted by Taint

3 isge is impressive I've tried a number of different times and always fall short on #3.

yea 3 was max

need terror screen XD

**Arthars** · 2011-02-28 23:49

question for people that did bow...

how was fistule's Cytxxxxxx WS and the pet's fluid spread damage?

i feel like doing bow now since it seems that fistule require 0 KI, 0 red proc lol lookseasy O_O

problem is the pets i read about, which can be eva tanked but i need to know the damage on those aoe just incase

**Michelob** · 2011-02-28 23:59

LS mate 2boxed all his Fistules by running off the adds with a mule IIRC.

**NynJa** · 2011-03-01 00:01

Fistule's a fucking joke. was using RR/VV(OMG VV SUCKS KILL YOURSELF)/AoA, was tanking and downing Fistules in full haste gear in about 4-5 minutes. Just make sure you stun Dissolve (after the original one it uses on the NM to spawn), because it will reset your hate, which could lead to potential problems. The Pustules are a non issue, just dont touch them and your mage will never attract their attention.

[17:53:06]The Fistule readies Dissolve.
[17:57:34]Nynja defeats the Fistule.

[18:18:35]The Fistule readies Dissolve.
[18:23:19]Nynja defeats the Fistule.

The biggest pissoff was the fact I'd cleave Leeches non stop between pops, and I didnt get any Refresh pins

Originally Posted by Michelob

LS mate 2boxed all his Fistules by running off the adds with a mule IIRC.

Not necessary.

**Arthars** · 2011-03-01 00:09

how the fuck did i miss out on such easy empy

brb getting coffee and charging

**NynJa** · 2011-03-01 00:27

Originally Posted by Arthars

how the fuck did i miss out on such easy empy

brb getting coffee and charging

Fistule's a joke, but Bukhis is harder than some Heroes NM's.

**Yugl** · 2011-03-01 00:29

Originally Posted by Arthars

how the fuck did i miss out on such easy empy

Probably because you were busy getting five other Empyreans. I don't know though; I'm just guessing.

**Arthars** · 2011-03-01 00:40

my friend is doing buhkis and not wanting wings, so i leeched about 12 as a head start....shes still doing more haha so i can still leech more, which is why now fistule came to my attention XD

i dont play rng prolly at all and have 30 coins of decay still wanting to burn...but since i leech this many and fistule is a joke, i might as well make empy O_O

**Deader2818** · 2011-03-01 01:24

You sir, have a sick obsession.

**Arthars** · 2011-03-01 02:10

im not going to rush this one tho.....tired now lol

im enjoying my BLU now, i got mad spells to learn still :X

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