Final Form Magian Weapons

[Aurara]

war/mnk?

[Colenzo]

counterstance ftw

[Aurara]

Its worth giving up hasso?

[Colenzo]

I think it would be if you were trying to parse or something. Chances are you would be the one with the hate.

[Mercilessturtle]

Subbing /mnk isn't to do good damage, it is a misguided attempt at increasing war's survivability. Obviously it gimps your damage badly.

[Colenzo]

how does counterstance gimp your damage badly when you're the one with hate the whole time?

[Colenzo]

Have you ever partied with a godly monk?

[Mojo]

It's one of those situational things. The build I have caps Subtle Blow (with Auspice), which puts it up there with MNK and NIN in regards to DMG/TP given to the mob. Counterstance is great for tanking damage mitigation which is important in some cases. I can duo most things MNK + WHM can duo (maybe I'll try Apademak later for fun or something.) WAR/SAM is certainly the best for omgwtfbbq damage pending the right support, but that's almost never the case for me.

[Dooom]

This is gonna be a shock, but war isn't monk. On warrior, you're giving up, what, 5% haste, at least one hit on your X-hit build; that's a pretty considerable loss of damage. Assuming you have other, comparably geared/skilled/etc DD there, that's a pretty big blow.

[Colenzo]

I will agree that once you get the 5 hit things will be a lot different. /Sam will be so much better.

[Mercilessturtle]

Have you ever partied with a godly monk?

Have you ever looked at the JAs war gets? Counterstance is lowering your chance to retaliate by 50%, and they give TP unlike counters. Add to that dropping 10% haste and 15 storetp and war/mnk is miles behind war/sam. It is just an attempt at increasing survivability, it isn't for doing damage.

[Mojo]

I don't even have the gear to get a five hit, hence the question was asked. I'm not saying that WAR/MNK is going to be the best damage option I have, but I don't really think I could dual box as many things with SAM sub. It might be a bit behind my NIN and MNK for duoing anyways, but it gets boring as hell playing the same job over and over so why not.

[Raen Ryong]

Which Atma did you have on the WHM/BLM? I see well geared WHM/BLM stuns fail an umcomfortable amount.

[Mojo]

Merciless Matriarch, Stormbird, and some other retarded atma I can't remember that gave some Haste because I wanted capped Stun recasts and my brother's character doesn't have optimal stun gear. I used an Ascetic's Tonic for every fight. I got two resists through all of my fights, although one of them was while wearing Terra's Staff (forgot to copy the staff part of my spellcast over so I was stunning in his idle weapon) and the other was when I forgot Ascetic's Tonic.

[Raen Ryong]

Hmm, it's good to know that Stun lands nicely with a proper atma setup on WHM. Very useful indeed, cheers~

[Tribe]

Hmm, it's good to know that Stun lands nicely with a proper atma setup on WHM. Very useful indeed, cheers~

not having capped skill might also be your problem? I d'box a whm/blm Taru with capped skills and with MM / Ambition / Rescuer never resists stuns.

[Raen Ryong]

Definitely a possibility. I'll have to ask the WHM in question...

[Phoenyx]

I've got a pretty good idea on what gear to use for WAR/MNK (or any other non SAM subjob,) but I'm missing a few pieces for 5-hit WAR/SAM and I don't know what they are. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction?

This set is 25% and 19.5 TP/hit; somethin' like 4 StoreTP short of a true 5-hit. Definitely 5-hit-able in Abyssea and maybe outside Abyssea with Moonshade with regain augment (if that's worth droppin' Ravager's earring).

[Jex]

Thank-you to everyone in grudge who came out to help! (and luckycharmss)
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[Eleven19]

wat wat is this. I'm so behind.

Grats Snap lol.