Final Form Magian Weapons

[DNAval]

found this in FFXIAH i figure i should add a little bubble text.

[Deader2818]

HAHAHAHAH that joke never gets old.

>_>

[Fievel]

Made me laugh, grats.

Edit: Oh it's not yours, fuck off.

[Gun-it]

Got relic yo.

[Appie]

Cold day in hell that I will help somebody in my LS make an emp dagger lol. I'd unlock and level PUP before that happens.

[Byrthnoth]

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[00:03:28]Byrth uses Climactic Flourish.
[00:03:29]Byrth uses Box Step.
[00:03:29]The Gyroscopic Gears are afflicted with Sluggish Daze (lv.3).
[00:03:30]--- Weaponskill TP ---
[00:03:31]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[00:03:31]1 of Byrth's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[00:03:32]Byrth uses No Foot Rise. Finishing moves now 5.
[00:03:32]The Gyroscopic Gears' Haste Daze effect wears off.
[00:03:34]Unable to use job ability.
[00:03:34]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[00:03:34]The Gyroscopic Gears take 230 points of damage.
[00:03:34]Byrth hits the Gyroscopic Gears for 106 points of damage.
[00:03:35]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[00:03:35]The Gyroscopic Gears take 2895 points of damage.
[00:03:35]The Gyroscopic Gears miss Byrth.
[00:03:35]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[00:03:35]The Gyroscopic Gears take 265 points of damage.
[00:03:35]Byrth hits the Gyroscopic Gears for 117 points of damage.
[00:03:35]Byrth misses the Gyroscopic Gears.
[00:03:36]Byrth's Finishing Move effect wears off.
[00:03:36]Byrth uses Reverse Flourish.
[00:03:36]Byrth regains 100 TP.
[00:03:37]--- Weaponskill TP ---
[00:03:37]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[00:03:41](2*) You must close the currently open window to use that command.
[00:03:41]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[00:03:41]The Gyroscopic Gears take 476 points of damage.
[00:03:41]Byrth hits the Gyroscopic Gears for 95 points of damage.
[00:03:41]Byrth starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Byrth.
[00:03:41]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[00:03:41]The Gyroscopic Gears take 2803 points of damage.
+ ~3640 Darkness that got blinked. Cya, GG3! This was without my TP Bonus offhand (was trying STR/Atk Kila+2 DE spam)

Solo, I has no regrets. :3

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[23:47:11]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[23:47:11]Powderkeg Yanadahn takes 2622 points of damage.
[23:47:12]--- Weaponskill TP ---
[23:47:12]Powderkeg Yanadahn starts casting Protect IV.
[23:47:12]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[23:47:12]Powderkeg Yanadahn misses Byrth.
[23:47:13]Byrth uses Reverse Flourish.
[23:47:13]Byrth regains 100 TP.
[23:47:15]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[23:47:15]Powderkeg Yanadahn takes 185 points of damage.
[23:47:15]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[23:47:15]Powderkeg Yanadahn takes 135 points of damage.
[23:47:17]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[23:47:17]Powderkeg Yanadahn takes 1722 points of damage.
Darknesssssssss even works on the fomors

Is it more useful to kill trash monsters 5 seconds faster in >party events with support, or to be able to do stuff like this solo? I've been more than half way to 90 Ukon for the last several months (50 shells, 15 scales, 32 claws) and I can't be arsed to finish it. I've done two Dynamis - Tavs lately, which were the only real situations I've been in where I'd rather have a Ukon than Twashtar. Even then it wouldn't really have mattered, because I was pulling the runs.

Additional GG3 shots just because I love him. He's so piercing weak and delicious:

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[23:04:54]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[23:04:54]The Gyroscopic Gears take 4135 points of damage.

This one is kind of cheating because it had Dia 3 on:
[21:28:35]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[21:28:35]The Gyroscopic Gears take 4094 points of damage.
[21:28:36]Byrth uses Presto.
[21:28:39]Byrth uses Box Step.
[21:28:39]The Gyroscopic Gears are afflicted with Sluggish Daze (lv.5).
[21:28:40]Byrth's Finishing Move effect wears off.
[21:28:41]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[21:28:41]Byrth uses No Foot Rise. Finishing moves now 5.
[21:28:43]Byrth uses Reverse Flourish.
[21:28:43]Byrth regains 100 TP.
[21:28:45]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[21:28:45]The Gyroscopic Gears take 3772 points of damage.
+ the invisible 5000 damage Darkness

LAC for flavor:

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[21:59:31]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[21:59:32]Byrth uses No Foot Rise. Finishing moves now 4.
[21:59:32]The Long-Armed Chariot misses Byrth.
[21:59:34]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[21:59:34]The Long-Armed Chariot takes 147 points of damage.
[21:59:34]Byrth hits the Long-Armed Chariot for 63 points of damage.
[21:59:34]Byrth hits the Long-Armed Chariot for 43 points of damage.
[21:59:34]Byrth hits the Long-Armed Chariot for 49 points of damage.
[21:59:35]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[21:59:35]The Long-Armed Chariot takes 2098 points of damage.
[21:59:36]Byrth's Finishing Move effect wears off.
[21:59:36]1 of Byrth's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.
[21:59:36]--- Weaponskill TP ---
[21:59:37]Byrth readies Rudra's Storm.
[21:59:37]Byrth uses Reverse Flourish.
[21:59:37]Byrth regains 77 TP.
[21:59:40]The Long-Armed Chariot misses Byrth.
[21:59:40]Byrth scores a critical hit!
[21:59:40]The Long-Armed Chariot takes 248 points of damage.
[21:59:40]Byrth hits the Long-Armed Chariot for 56 points of damage.
[21:59:40]Byrth hits the Long-Armed Chariot for 47 points of damage.
[21:59:42]Byrth uses Rudra's Storm.
[21:59:42]The Long-Armed Chariot takes 2261 points of damage.
+ Darkness, and then I viper bite before charm mode for l33t damage and so he doesn't regen.

The most efficient way to do events and such is rarely with a full party anymore. I average a little over 100 currency per run in whatever Dynamis I choose to enter duo with my mule. If I went with a full party of real players, would we get 600 currency? Probably not.

If you're going lowman and without entering the infinite MP codes of Abyssea, I think that it's easy to argue for dagger purely based on the jobs that can wear it. Empyreans are easy enough to make that they're individual commitments, so it isn't like it should bother your linkshell that you're working on an Empyrean for solo/lowman purposes while solo/lowman with some friends.

[Appie]

Funny enough the reason I will not make a Twashtar for anybody is not because of the damage output. It's because I don't give a fuck about DNC at all besides using it as a SJ, don't give a fuck about THF's dmg output (main THFs: go emo somewhere else lol) and lolbrd. So while the shit is impressive I don't care. It's why I made the PUP reference, it could do fun shit (like solo Diabolos BC), but I do not care for the job lol.

[cdgreg]

Funny enough the reason I will not make a Twashtar for anybody is not because of the damage output. It's because I don't give a fuck about DNC at all besides using it as a SJ, don't give a fuck about THF's dmg output (main THFs: go emo somewhere else lol) and lolbrd. So while the shit is impressive I don't care. It's why I made the PUP reference, it could do fun shit (like solo Diabolos BC), but I do not care for the job lol.

I do my best not to get into pissing contests on here, but this all sounds pretty self-centered. If you have a small group which takes turns building empys and guy 3 wants to build a twashtar for his THF you'd say no because YOU don't give a fuck about dnc, thf, brd? Seems awful pompous and not your decision if he wants to use his turn to make a weapon that he wants.

[Atoreis]

stuff

My friend has Ukon 90 and I have Twashy 85 for now and we doing pretty much everything lowman and everything together. We have 2 mules WHM and THF. Imo both Gaxe and Dagger are great weapons and both have a good use in lowman. In fact they works very well together. We use DNC+WAR for salvage and limbus for example ( btw Byrth, outside WAR avg 3k+ ukko everytime blood rage is up ^^ and i saw up to 5k+ on LAC ) Pure damage of Ukon is irreplaceable in many events but so is DNC's mix of eva/fastTP/healing/spikeDMG/ja for other (dynamis for example) and even if twashy adds something mostly to spikeDMG it's still very useful and fun to have.

[Appie]

I do my best not to get into pissing contests on here, but this all sounds pretty self-centered. If you have a small group which takes turns building empys and guy 3 wants to build a twashtar for his THF you'd say no because YOU don't give a fuck about dnc, thf, brd? Seems awful pompous and not your decision if he wants to use his turn to make a weapon that he wants.

Good thing I don't have people who want a Twashtar in my group then! Lol. I should also add the group pretty much feels the same way as me. So no loss lol.

[Leva]

I average a little over 100 currency per run in whatever Dynamis I choose to enter duo with my mule. If I went with a full party of real players, would we get 600 currency? Probably not.

Wouldn't expect such a bad argument from you Byrth, a logical comparison is getting 300 coins with 3 people + 3 mules, in which case yeah you prob would get 300 or more average lol

[Atoreis]

Good thing I don't have people who wants a Twashtar in my group then!

I don't really understand reference to pup. In serious situations for lowman group PUP has pretty much no room but DNC is a very useful job.
Haste Samba and 7-13% def down for zergs. Self SC with minimal TP feed for a mob. Only 2 unique examples but there is many more.

[Appie]

My reference to PUP was that I do not care for the job, hence why it is locked on my job list. I do not care for DNC either. While I know it's more than likely to be more useful than a PUP I do not care. That's what is the same between those 2 jobs for me. Know how SE treats DRK? That's how I treat those jobs, lol. Not having a DNC in my group is a great deal of the not caring.

[Byrthnoth]

Wouldn't expect such a bad argument from you Byrth, a logical comparison is getting 300 coins with 3 people + 3 mules, in which case yeah you prob would get 300 or more average lol

I doubt this. In Dynamis, killspeed is proportional to proc speed, because it's not worth killing unprocced monsters. Assuming you can proc equally duo with your own mule and in a party of 6 (which is pretty much true), then bringing more people just increases competition for the timed spawn NMs that you can still only kill once every 15 minutes. To make this point more dramatic, imagine that you have a 12-man alliance with 6 players and 6 mules. 12 level 90s were sufficient to double-clear old city zones without having to proc monsters and with a 3 hour time limit and no TE tomfoolery, and they'd still be lucky to pull a 600 currency average.

Generally I wouldn't take this any further, but I'm all about lowering Alexandrite costs and increasing supply at the moment, though I'm out of the market for a bit.

Atoreis, you do Salvage with two players and four characters and probably kill 4 100% pouch dropping NMs and the boss. I do it with two characters (both of which are me) and kill 3 100% pouch dropping NMs and the boss, all while being pretty informal about it and without a single remotely difficult fight. It takes me 80-85 minutes, depending how many times I afk. If your friend had Twashtar instead of Ukon, you could split runs and get 6 pouches + 2 shots at Linen instead of 4 + 1 shot at Linen. It would take you approximately the same amount of time (Kill slower, same amount of running, but no turtle and you can just Chocobo Jig past the entire fourth floor). If I have a second real player healing me (I offer anyone willing to let me into Salvage any armor that drops and sometimes they stick around), I can pop and kill Turtle too. Honestly, unless they want Usu body I don't bother because the fourth floor is still a PITA.

The above shots that I said were "solo" actually were solo, because I derped out and forgot to Reraise my mule. A gear resisted Sleep 2 and I went afk to take bread out of the oven so I didn't see it until it was too late.

[Mikus]

Funny enough the reason I will not make a Twashtar for anybody is not because of the damage output. It's because I don't give a fuck about DNC at all besides using it as a SJ, don't give a fuck about THF's dmg output (main THFs: go emo somewhere else lol) and lolbrd. So while the shit is impressive I don't care. It's why I made the PUP reference, it could do fun shit (like solo Diabolos BC), but I do not care for the job lol..

Posts like this belong in official forums. I see no difference between this and melee rdm, melee smn, etc. Someone like Byrth can show you why Twasher has great use, damage output, etc and your argument is literally "it's garbage cause I hate Dnc!". Brilliant.

[AzazaelFenrir]

I know it has been mentioned before but I can't remember what causes the High Priest to not be at the Recall-Meriph crystal. Over the weekend I did my 25 pixies (x 2 for both toons) and that one was never up. I am planning on helping a friend do his soon and just wondered what cause that mob to not be there.

[Appie]

Posts like this belong in official forums. I see no difference between this and melee rdm, melee smn, etc. Someone like Byrth can show you why Twasher has great use, damage output, etc and your argument is literally "it's garbage cause I hate Dnc!". Brilliant.

I have no purpose for a DNC in my lowman, in my group, in my whatever. So bite me. But Appie, you could be so much more efficient as DNC+mule instead of MNK+mule! Don't care. And yes talk like this would belong on the official forums, but excuse me for not caring for the entire lot of 20 jobs SE made and like half of those either: were trash, are trash or are trash once again. And yes besides an AV zerg at lv75-80 cap I did consider DNC trash, now not so much, but still don't miss them in my group.

Great that DNC can solo the world, everybody already knew this, didn't need Byrth to point it out to me. It does not change my opinion or make me sad that my group has no DNC's in general or THF's wanting a Twashtar.

[Skeelo]

Every time i see a Twashtar made i just think to myself....That should've been a Ukon.

[Mikus]

Every time i see a Twashtar made i just think to myself....That should've been a Ukon.

I'll let this slide on the strength of your avatar.

[Mercilessturtle]

DURRRR

Why do you think anyone cares about how dumb you are? It is one thing to post "I am really stupid guys, seriously check out how dumb I am!" once. But once is enough, you don't need to keep reposting it over and over.

Byrth: 6 level 90s was plenty for full clearing cities. 12 would have been tons at level 75.