Final Form Magian Weapons

[Darkmagi]

That twashtar is upsetting, why would you even post that?

[zaps]

Why do people make twatwashers;;

>.>

[ronin sparthos]

Twashtars are always made to spite Ukons.

Deal with it.

[Atoreis]

Why do people make twastars;;

and lol you're buying plates but haven't made the ukon yet hehe?

Yep, I do ^^
I am preparing as complex WAR as possible for VW. Multiattacks weapons, all WS, etc. I don't really see the point now to upg more than 1 empy.
Depends of 99 upg I might make another relic or mythic and after that I really see no room for more DD because I would probably never use it. Now I use DNC for Dyna/salvage, PLD/BLU/DRK for VW, MNK for shinryu, NIN for Odin/abyssea so already few of my empy are in use maybe once a week or two (sometimes I forgot macros for few of my jobs because of how long is a break between I use them). I might rather do WHM on mule and make him yagrush so I can counter all this "Go play WHM and see how hard it is" when I complain on slow erase/-na etc :D

[zephr]

"Go play WHM and see how hard it is"

wat

[Atoreis]

wat

I got WHMs emo like that every time I write "erase please","paralyna please","zzz", etc. more than once in chat log.

[dasva]

Hey at least that's a step up from our old whm. Where it was more like please follow us. Or please wake up

[Deader2818]

Why make a yagrush for a whm mule when you can make a good mythic instead?

[Atoreis]

Why make a yagrush for a whm mule when you can make a good mythic instead?

Well the answer for this is pretty easy atm but might change when we will know the stats for 99.

Anyway the answer for now is because I will use it on my main probably 10% of my playtime (maybe less maybe little more) when Yagrush on my mule would be used probably around 90% of the time.

Another problem I see is which mythic really?

Burtgang - I prefer Almace by far
Kogarasumaru - some very good WS would need to pop for 95-99 update to make it useful. Would still choose WAR for 99% of the time over SAM for several reasons
Daggers - Not interested/Doesn't play those jobs
Ryunohige - Strong DD option. Cool, but still probably not better than Ukon WAR and WAR is still far more complex Job for most end game activity now.
Liberator - No thx I like the utility of my golden scythe (and this utility of Apoc is actually what will make me choose DRK over WAR from time to time. Liberator would be again just pure DD and will lose to WAR overall)
Staffs - Don't play those jobs
Tizona - It's ok and I play BLU but I dont think its worth the effort at this point. Almost no event now that would really makes Tizona useful over Almace.
Nagi - lol
KKK - tried PUP on test server and don't really like it
Murgleis/Gastraphetes - not useful and I dont play those jobs
Aymur/Death Penalty - useful but I don tplay those jobs
Coqueror - Probably not better than Ukon, and that still only another DD option for WAR giving him no extra utility over any other Gaxe.
Glanzfaust - This one is actually tempting and looks fun but still wouldn't be used much unless something will change. Spharai is also in similar league and right know it cost 50+% less.

Relics looks much better in this case.
Bravura for hard tanking/ohShit moments
Yoichi would gimme me utility I dont have among my jobs right now which is ranged/hateless damage (Regurgitation is good only situationally)
Spharai It's MNK weapon and it shines. Should be enough :D
Amano Just because its already tough and SE loves to beef up SAMs

Sorry I couldnt write it shorter XD

[Deader2818]

yagrush just seems like such a waste to make really, esp for a mule. The aoe na effect has lost a ton of its luster since 75.

[Draylo]

I think Atoreis is just obessed with shinies lol.

[Atoreis]

yagrush just seems like such a waste to make really, esp for a mule. The aoe na effect has lost a ton of its luster since 75.

Maybe but on last Qilin few WHMs really wanted to have it. Breakgas/blindgas/slowgas were hitting us constantly.
I wont try to find more evidence for this now but probably a few more VWs are annoying AoE debuffs too.
Damn even for daily dynamis when I dual box THF+DNC and Ragni WHM+DNC casting one erase,-na instead of 3 might be enough to justify Yagrush.

@Draylo That have no sense at all. Our WHM is Taru and Yagrush is macro piece. I would need to try really hard to even notice it XD

[Deader2818]

Think someone here said (Taint?) That if you keep up AM3 with Mythic Gaxe, its up there with Ukon.

And honestly, mythic Polearm would be best bet to make. With WHM hat and divine seal and /sch, you wont get the affect of yagrush all that often.

[catfat]

DDs suddenly can't vicar? Smns have thumb up their butt? You guys make it sound like you have one sole healer for the entire alliance

[Atoreis]

Think someone here said (Taint?) That if you keep up AM3 with Mythic Gaxe, its up there with Ukon.

And honestly, mythic Polearm would be best bet to make. With WHM hat and divine seal and /sch, you wont get the affect of yagrush all that often.

I think I said this about Conqueror lol. I dont really see a reason to make something for 300M that will be on par with what I will have soon if you can keep AM. Also as wAr you switch weapons to make stagger and its not always HQ so not always you have wing back to put AM up again if you switch to gaxe again.
Ryunohige for some reason is very tempting for a lot of ppl because it looks nice on paper. Crit WS, AM +15%wsdmg etc. is all cool but only if you have most of other jobs covered and you are sure you will be going on DRG for VW a lot because if you not ( for several reason like being need on other more complex (staggers+greatDD) job like WAR or other job more important for stagger like BLU in my case) its cool weapon to put in storage.

@catfat It was half my LS half PUG. There was no SMN and there was main DD party with BRD WHM SAM SAM DRK WAR. You can't erase cross party and after first use of most drinks and after first HQ I try to use only fanatic to get it back from nq stagger. At LS event when all ppl are from our LS we have SMN in DD party only if its really required for scherzo/earmor, otherwise he stays in other party and DDs are with WHM BRD COR (if 3 DDS) or just WHM BRD (if 4DDs) I am actually in pretty good situation because BRD is usually Ragni on dualboxed mule so I can say him on skype what -na/erase I need. There is also one more most important thing, maybe I am unlucky but 99% WHMs i played with don't like their jobs and do absolutely minimum required from them :/

[Strawhat]

Why do people make twastars;;

and lol you're buying plates but haven't made the ukon yet hehe?

your dnc doens't have twastar? lol what do you consider pimp then-.-

[Shenrien]

He's clearly rocking Terpsichore if he doesn't have Twashtar.

[Zag]

Well the answer for this is pretty easy atm but might change when we will know the stats for 99.

Anyway the answer for now is because I will use it on my main probably 10% of my playtime (maybe less maybe little more) when Yagrush on my mule would be used probably around 90% of the time.

Another problem I see is which mythic really?

Burtgang - I prefer Almace by far
Kogarasumaru - some very good WS would need to pop for 95-99 update to make it useful. Would still choose WAR for 99% of the time over SAM for several reasons
Daggers - Not interested/Doesn't play those jobs
Ryunohige - Strong DD option. Cool, but still probably not better than Ukon WAR and WAR is still far more complex Job for most end game activity now.
Liberator - No thx I like the utility of my golden scythe (and this utility of Apoc is actually what will make me choose DRK over WAR from time to time. Liberator would be again just pure DD and will lose to WAR overall)
Staffs - Don't play those jobs
Tizona - It's ok and I play BLU but I dont think its worth the effort at this point. Almost no event now that would really makes Tizona useful over Almace.
Nagi - lol
KKK - tried PUP on test server and don't really like it
Murgleis/Gastraphetes - not useful and I dont play those jobs
Aymur/Death Penalty - useful but I don tplay those jobs
Coqueror - Probably not better than Ukon, and that still only another DD option for WAR giving him no extra utility over any other Gaxe.
Glanzfaust - This one is actually tempting and looks fun but still wouldn't be used much unless something will change. Spharai is also in similar league and right know it cost 50+% less.

Relics looks much better in this case.
Bravura for hard tanking/ohShit moments
Yoichi would gimme me utility I dont have among my jobs right now which is ranged/hateless damage (Regurgitation is good only situationally)
Spharai It's MNK weapon and it shines. Should be enough :D
Amano Just because its already tough and SE loves to beef up SAMs

Sorry I couldnt write it shorter XD

I would wait till 99 to upgrade a weapon if you are only doing one weapon.

One update yagrush and aegis are gods gift to FF11 while burtgang and Smn staff suck... then the next update, people say aegis and yagrush are useless and burtgang and drg mythic are king...

All 20 jobs currently my opinion is.

WAR: Ukon, hands down. Bravura is good if you want a more defensive WAR and help your ally out too. (metatron hits party or Ally too I believe.) Lol at conqueror... Saving 300% when you could have done 3 ukko's furies or saved your ally with 3 metatron's. I would choose Ukon personally but they are situational so tie. Tie

MNK: Spharai once again for defensive or Vere for offensive. Everyones play style is different.
Tie But I might favor vere, being biased.

PUP: KKK is better for Pet as well and overall utility but vere is pure offensive. KKK might beat vere for PUP idk. One of those "wait till level 99 weapons" Mythic

DNC: Mythic helps DNC do its job more. I would hands down pick Mythic if I was dnc and could only pick 1 weapon. mythic

SMN: Mythic hands down. This is not even debatable against relic or empyrean. Mythic

DRG: Mythic all the way. Some say its one of the top 3 Best weapons in the game right now and best polearm in the game. They keep adding new jumps to DRG too. I dont remember if mythic crits on all the jumps drg has. Mythic

PLD: Shield: If you are a main job PLD, you should strive to get both Shields. they are both good despite what ppl argue. Tie

PLD:Sword Burtgang is once again for defensive and almace/excal for offensive. PLD is a TANK job so burtgang would be my number 1 sword choice outside of abyssea. I honestly do not know which one will win between Almace and excalibur at level 99. Thats one of those "wait till level 99" weapons. Tie

BLM: lol... none of them. Magian Staves. Level 99 won't even fix claustrum for sure.none

WHM: Yagrush should be the only weapon you do whm if you are picking 1 only. Mythic

RDM: Hopefully they make RDM a good dd/tank at level 99 if they are keeping cure IV on RDM. Otherwise none of these weapons are useful imo. Magian staves again. none

SCH: Magian Staves again... Unless they enhance embrava pretty nasty with mythic at 99. none

DRK: Apocalyse is probably going to be the best. Ragnarok can be unpredictable and pass alot of weapons in damage though at 99. Apoc has offensive and defensive properties making it king still. Relic, scythe

BLU: Almace mythic

COR: Death Penalty might be more useful and powerful with enhanced QD effects. I would do mythic on cor. Mythic

BST: Mythic. The aftermath works on pets too and its a pretty big force to be reckoned with. I wouldn't mind saving the tp to 300% so my pet can have aftermath up all the time. Mythic

THF: Very hard to see which one will win between Relic and empyrean at 99. Mythic won't be winning though lol. I would say for THF (wait till 99) to pick a dagger. Tie

BRD: Lucky for BRD and unlucky for BRD... All 3 can be stacked and a main job BRD should try to get all 3. Dagger, ghorn sing 2 songs then use empyrean for 3rd song. Tie, with dagger last to obtain before instruments,

NIN: Kannagi but kikoku has that para effect. Depends on If NIN gets a NI spell for paralyze by 99. Another example of defensive/offensive weapons. Tie

SAM: 3 hit build might be very possible at level 99+ merits. aftermath from kaiten just might beat aftermath from Masamune since does dmg from WS and not from ODD. Which WS is stronger? Does acc play a BIG factor in level 99 HNMS? Will Kaitens Aftermath give a new hit build? I wanna rule it a tie but the base damage AND acc increase from amano just beat out all the STR+ masamune gives to its WS. ODD seems irrevelant on SAM compared to other DD jobs. Amano

RNG:relic Bow and gun are defensive while Gandiva is much more offensive right now.
They both have sick barrages. A fanatics drink Gandiva or a dead gandiva RNG vs an Alive Yoichinoyumi. They are a tie imo because they are situational. Tie

The overall Game balance has changed drastically in the post 75 era.

DRG with Mythic will wreck shit.
DRK with Apoc will STILL wreck shit.
WAR with Ukon will Wreck shit.
MNK with vere will Wreck shit.
BST with mythic and PUP with mythic... their pets will wreck shit.
SAM with Amano will STILL wreck shit.
BRD with ghorn is STILL broken.

They done alot to balance the DD jobs. Seeing all of those weapons in an alliance is a blessing and youtube worthy. The mythics really still suck. The only mythics I chose over relic/empyrean were mages cause their other weapons already sucked and the 4 pet jobs, (smn bst pup drg.) Only chose brd mythic cause you can equip relic and mythic at same time and empyrean. So really, only the Pet jobs have good mythics.

Its not just about Party 1: 6 SAMS, PT 2: 6 SAMS. PT: 6 SAMS.
Every job should be proud of their weapons. (cept mages lol).

I wrote alot I know. SE finally got shit right though (minus claustrum) and it looks good come level 99.
I wanna hear other people opinions about weapons especially the ones that I "Tied". Which weapon is better?

[Darkmagi]

I hate your post so much, a lot of what you said is completely wrong too.

[Viq]

The mythics really still suck. The only mythics I chose over relic/empyrean were mages cause their other weapons already sucked and the 4 pet jobs, (smn bst pup drg.) Only chose brd mythic cause you can equip relic and mythic at same time and empyrean. So really, only the Pet jobs have good mythics.

You picked 8 Mythics, 8 ties, and 3 none. Amano is the only Relic you picked, and you have no winning Empys. It's like one person wrote a bunch of bullshit, then someone else wrote a summary without even reading what was written.

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