Final Form Magian Weapons

[Kuishen]

Thank you kindly sir. ^^ I'll get both and mess around with em on JoL or w/e if I ever get to go SAM to those kinds of things.

[Eole]

yes that was a typo I meant kurodachi, I cant seem to remember the names of those GK right. For high level mobs ( HNM) technically the attack boost on gekko is not specific to hagun, but the high defense/low pDIF will clearly disadvantage Kurodachi more than hagun, by decreasing melee dmg much more than ws damage, to the point that hagun might win. I have no idea of what HNM's def look like ( except Odin), so can't really answer. But for Odin you do not ws each time you have 100TP, because the chalenge is not kill it in time but survive its AOEs, so hagun is your best choice still..

Wouldn't it be Radennotachi for monsters like Odin then ? Since you save TP...

[Byrthnoth]

Wouldn't it be Radennotachi for monsters like Odin then ? Since you save TP...

It depends how much TP you save on average. If you're WSing with less than probably about 200-250TP, Hagun has the advantage. If you're getting 300TP and WSing, a high base damage GKT would have the advantage.

[ZhiGaruda]

Wouldn't it be Radennotachi for monsters like Odin then ? Since you save TP...

You aren't running away enough for all that much TP to be held. The AoE's he does are at set HP %'s. You aren't like, standing the background meditating for TP only. Just running away every now and then.

[Eole]

I'm going to up both I think, lets just hope I won't be let down by the end of June.

[ZhiGaruda]

I'm going to up both I think, lets just hope I won't be let down by the end of June.

That seems the best route anyways. Honestly, 10 Krabkatoa shells will take so long to get, you can probably get up to the point of needing them, and complete the D89 GK before even having 5/10.

[Thorny]

That seems the best route anyways. Honestly, 10 Krabkatoa shells will take so long to get, you can probably get up to the point of needing them, and complete the D89 GK before even having 5/10.

I can farm 10 krabkatoa shells in 2 days without any help from anyone else Too bad soboro exists and OAT club is for retards.

[Sho]

5 minutes after Mind Blast on Ice Elemental, no para procs, no wear off message. Been recasting every so often. Gonna go BLU debuffs are still tied to the same elements, you could probably bind a water elemental, but not a fire or ice. Yeah, three to four casts of Regurgitation now no proc. Elemental ran out of MP so I'm gonna call this MYTH BUSTED

Ahhh I was watching these posts when this caught my eye. I will also concur & conclude that there were no para procs when I tested this as well (in 2007).

Indeed the beauty (or hinderance?) of BLU is that the debuffs will maintain it's natural element, despite the element of the spell itself.

Actually this type of magical damage has been out since SMN anyways (Titan and Ramuh bloodpacts come to mind).

[Shinryuu]

I can farm 10 krabkatoa shells in 2 days without any help from anyone else Too bad soboro exists and OAT club is for retards.

Are you an octopus? Also do me some Soboro vs. Kurodachi vs. Hagun math, especially w/ a Kurodachi 5-hit.

[ZhiGaruda]

I can farm 10 krabkatoa shells in 2 days without any help from anyone else Too bad soboro exists and OAT club is for retards.

Well unluckily for me I play about 2 hours per day and most of the time is spent chillin' with my millin's - in the mog house

[Malacite]

Are you an octopus? Also do me some Soboro vs. Kurodachi vs. Hagun math, especially w/ a Kurodachi 5-hit.

Yeah I'm gonna WTF this as well. Soboro is still king as far as SAM/RNG goes, but the 40% OAT + 28 more base damage says gtfo Soboro for anything else. I don't think it's even possible to get enough +STR to make up for the difference in base DMG.

[Shinryuu]

It doesn't have to make up anything, it simply weaponskills more, Gekko's 75% STR mod just means the gap between Soboro and other options is percentually much smaller than the initial base DMG suggests. However, 5-hit Kurodachi would be pretty boss, I'd imagine.

[mdkuser]

5 hit kuradachi is inferior to 6 hit. Basically you have so much TP overflow that it halves the benefit of droping a hit, whats more you lose dusk gloves. although with carbonara it would be better of course, but then again, hagun can 5 hit too in this situation ( and it doesn't suffer from TP overflow).

guess i'll have to math soboro later...

[Shinryuu]

Hrm, really? TP overflow, let's see... 4 hits after WS means (assuming no DA for now and 40% OAT):

1 - 1 - 1 - 1 : 12.96% (4 rounds)
2 - 2 : 16% (2 rounds)
1 - 1 - 2 : 14.4% (3 rounds)
2 - 1 - 1 : 14.4% (3 rounds)
1 - 2 - 1 : 14.4% (3 rounds)
1 - 1 - 1 - 2 : 8.64% (4 rounds)
2 - 1 - 2 : 9.6% (3 rounds)
1 - 2 - 2 : 9.6% (3 rounds)
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100% (3.056)

Kurodachi w/o DA (no DA by the way is a decent assumption, Abyssal/Hollow and Rose Strap while /DRG though Brutal might be > Hollow, too lazy to redo it and started w/o DA) need 3.056 rounds to 100 TP on average. Factoring in hitrate (95% but also factoring in Zanshin) this is 3.05ish rounds, or 1413 delay. How much does Hagun need? Without any DA besides Brutal it's 2203ish delay average, meaning Kurodachi weaponskills 56% more often than a Hagun. Hagun's weaponskills are a bit over 20% stronger, has more haste gear due to not 5-hitting, and does more damage per hit obviously.

[Motenten]

You counted 1-1-1-2 as 3 rounds rather than 4. Overall average should be 3.056, and about 3.15 with acc factored in.

[Shinryuu]

Ah yes, thanks.

[Konda]

Any thoughts on DMG:43 Katana vs Senj. for Jin?

and if Senj is no longer best, what would you offhand? Senj or perdu?

[Demosthenes11]

also important that tp overflow means less of a gap between hagun and kuro ws
not huge, but it's there

[blowfin]

Random question but i'm on trial 292 for the Axe:
"Retreive a set quantity of the assigned item"
"Objective: 0/10 baby Blobdingnags"

Does this mean i just have to turn in 10 baby blobs or do I have to have the trial weapon equipped when I get them?

[orson]

Random question but i'm on trial 292 for the Axe:
"Retreive a set quantity of the assigned item"
"Objective: 0/10 baby Blobdingnags"

Does this mean i just have to turn in 10 baby blobs or do I have to have the trial weapon equipped when I get them?

Turn them in. The ones that need you to have the weapon equipped actually say something along the lines of "with weapon equipped."