Final Form Magian Weapons

[Shenrien]

as someone slowly working his way toward Apoc, I'm so glad for this post. I really didn't want to put in the effort only to regret it. (which i wont anyways).

In all our events, our Apoc DRK usually leads the parse over the Ragnarok, a bit unfair cause the Apoc is 99 but we just got 4 marrows from ADL today so both Apoc and Rag are 99 and we'll see how it all goes down, but Apoc is a very strong weapon, maintain your aftermath and aftermath set and spam Entropy seems to work out great, on top of having the ability to be less dependent on a mage in any lowbie event where it could come in handy, neo-nyzul comes to mind right away.

However viewing the parse and total WS damage, Apoc 99 was ahead by only 1,000 damage, Ragnarok would have won the parse on the 4 ADL had he not used scourge when ADL started to split, both great weapons, both have their purposes, if you can afford it in the long run, make both, but I would start at Apoc personally before I'd start on Ragnarok, too many times have I see our Ragnarok DRK die too something where he himself said I wish I had an Apoc lol.

[Jem]

So you are judging just from total dmg... ?

I'm curious what Performance tab says...

Sadly I only have the full parse data for Apoc. I don't have full Ragna data because for whatever reason I can't find the parse, only what I posted on LS forum. Apoc is 485.38 and 500.19 on the 2 multi-fight Qilin parses I have for it. The only saved parse I have for Ragna at Qilin is actually Ragna 80 (i.e. 99 base damage or something) data and that's 355.12.

For what it's worth, Ragna 95 data from LS forum (3x Qilin. Usual VW buffs. No Souleater used though).

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg   Absorbed Dmg
Jem                     168019    28.20 %       64046           0           0      103973           0          0              0


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss    M.HR %   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi  M+0.Avg  M-0.Avg
Jem                   64046          0     64046   38.12 %     164/11   93.71 %   93.71 %   151/977   323.88   323.88



Melee Crit Damage
Player                #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C-0.Avg     Crit%
Jem                      52  349/1614    534.06   31.71 %


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Jem                        103973          0    103973    61.88 %      36/0   100.00 %   1190/4979  2888.14
 - Resolution               97583          0     97583    93.85 %      32/0   100.00 %   1451/4979  3049.47
 - Scourge                   6390          0      6390     6.15 %       4/0   100.00 %   1190/2163  1597.50

And if someone in my LS had a 95+ Ryunohige then I would gladly include it. Sadly I can only parse what is available to me D:



It may not be the universal opinion but personally I use Ragnarok for anything where dying/pdt is never going to be an issue. For everything else I use Apoc. Apoc definitely gets more use out of the two and is my favourite (possibly because I got Apoc years ago so it holds sentimental value whereas Ragna was made after easymode Relics)

[Diomer]

In all our events, our Apoc DRK usually leads the parse over the Ragnarok, a bit unfair cause the Apoc is 99 but we just got 4 marrows from ADL today so both Apoc and Rag are 99 and we'll see how it all goes down, but Apoc is a very strong weapon, maintain your aftermath and aftermath set and spam Entropy seems to work out great, on top of having the ability to be less dependent on a mage in any lowbie event where it could come in handy, neo-nyzul comes to mind right away.

However viewing the parse and total WS damage, Apoc 99 was ahead by only 1,000 damage, Ragnarok would have won the parse on the 4 ADL had he not used scourge when ADL started to split, both great weapons, both have their purposes, if you can afford it in the long run, make both, but I would start at Apoc personally before I'd start on Ragnarok, too many times have I see our Ragnarok DRK die too something where he himself said I wish I had an Apoc lol.

I don't think Entropy is even necessary; I've been using Cata and as long as you've got good food + buffs; Cata can do really well with the boost...

Here's a parse from our last ADL just to give you an idea of what Cata is capable of with higher buffs as DRK/WAR: (Spoiler for huge)

Spoiler: show

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/59...0320020835.jpg

That being said, I've never tried Entropy since Resolution/Shoha/Req. are my merit WS, but I never considered it either with how well Cata has been performing @ 99. I engage first so it's obvious that I win the parse on ADL, but the point is the WS damage. Do you really think Entropy is worth it? Shoha is the only one I'd consider dropping because I don't use SAM.

[Gun-it]

Whats the point of having shoha merited if you don't use sam?

[Diomer]

Whats the point of having shoha merited if you don't use sam?

On of the off chance I actually do, it's still one of the best merit WS.

[Aramaic]

I forgive your LS for not having a Ryunohige but you should find a good one on your server to parse with since its broken as hell 95+

[Arthars]

I don't think Entropy is even necessary; I've been using Cata and as long as you've got good food + buffs; Cata can do really well with the boost...

Here's a parse from our last ADL just to give you an idea of what Cata is capable of with higher buffs as DRK/WAR: (Spoiler for huge)

Spoiler: show

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/59...0320020835.jpg

That being said, I've never tried Entropy since Resolution/Shoha/Req. are my merit WS, but I never considered it either with how well Cata has been performing @ 99. I engage first so it's obvious that I win the parse on ADL, but the point is the WS damage. Do you really think Entropy is worth it? Shoha is the only one I'd consider dropping because I don't use SAM.

yea,... with borealis + resolution.... i feel like erasing entropy myself now too....

apoc + catas is a good utility WS if the need arises... otherwise, for this patch, theres no reason not to use resolution even with hoarfrost blade

[Jem]

I forgive your LS for not having a Ryunohige but you should find a good one on your server to parse with since its broken as hell 95+

There's none on Asura so I shall get right on top of getting 30,000 Alex at 19k a piece for you! And then convince someone else in my LS to do Ragna to parse against me.

[Haborym]

That sounds like an amazing plan.

[Atoreis]

I forgive your LS for not having a Ryunohige but you should find a good one on your server to parse with since its broken as hell 95+

Everyone post that but im actually curious if anyone has some proof or parses or anything or its just the "hmm it attacks 2-3 times and it boosts Drakesbane by 30% so it must be good" way of thinking?

@Jem There is actually easy way to parse against Ryunohige. Just use the Test Server.

[Churchill]

I like to think Aanalaty's DRG is as good as it gets, and unless Aa just plays like a timid little bitch, sits on TP and takes 5s+ to swap from TP/WS gear, then it's not as good as paper suggests. It's still very good, but yeah.

[Ophannus]

Can the level 2 aftermath stack with level 3? The +Attack would help to overcome DRG's attack deficiency. Even if it doesn't the OA2-3 makes for sdome pretty ludicrous jump damage and jump TP returns.

[Jem]

They don't stack.

[Byrthnoth]

Nor do they even overwrite, which makes it fairly difficult to manage.

[Aramaic]

If I didn't know better I think Rearden just dissed me lol. But it's all good. For Ryu you wanna keep your Level 3 up. And with a 3min timer its really not that hard on Drg with how fast we get tp from jumps now. Level 3 followed by 1 capped stardiver to lower mob crit evas followed by tons of drakes keep eye on spirit and soul and with 20-30 secs left can usually shoot back up to 300% tp to put level 3 back on. Dmg output while level 3 is in effect is pretty broken with 95.

[Atoreis]

If I didn't know better I think Rearden just dissed me lol. But it's all good. For Ryu you wanna keep your Level 3 up. And with a 3min timer its really not that hard on Drg with how fast we get tp from jumps now. Level 3 followed by 1 capped stardiver to lower mob crit evas followed by tons of drakes keep eye on spirit and soul and with 20-30 secs left can usually shoot back up to 300% tp to put level 3 back on. Dmg output while level 3 is in effect is pretty broken with 95.

I would still like to see some Parse/math tho.

[Churchill]

Qilin, all buffs, linkshell leader stole the good shit gear. This is with Angon for both, and I added 25% crit to TP/WS for Ryu to account for BR and Stardiver and I added 5% to Ukon as well.

99Ryu
WS Dmg: 3917
Combined DPS: 358.806

99Ukon
WS Dmg: 4122
Set DPS: 846.324

90Ukon
WS Dmg: 3686
Set DPS: 733.231


My parser gets kind of messed up because I have 3 accounts running at once, but I won 2/4 last night with a 90Ukon, Aramaic won 2/4 with a Ryu @Qilin. Obviously VW, procs, etc, all play a factor. My comments regarding Aa were from Botulus Rex parses which I think favors WAR more.

[Atoreis]

Qilin, all buffs, linkshell leader stole the good shit gear. This is with Angon for both, and I added 25% crit to TP/WS for Ryu to account for BR and Stardiver and I added 5% to Ukon as well.

99Ryu
WS Dmg: 3917
Combined DPS: 358.806

99Ukon
WS Dmg: 4122
Set DPS: 846.324

90Ukon
WS Dmg: 3686
Set DPS: 733.231


My parser gets kind of messed up because I have 3 accounts running at once, but I won 2/4 last night with a 90Ukon, Aramaic won 2/4 with a Ryu @Qilin. Obviously VW, procs, etc, all play a factor. My comments regarding Aa were from Botulus Rex parses which I think favors WAR more.

I have kinda no idea what I'm looking at. Whats 4122 ws Dmg for Ukon? Dont tell me its avg because its ridiculous too high(unless you mean fight will end before BR will wear off but I would say thats still a little too high). Kinda the same goes for Ryunohige. Im not really familiar with Motenten's sheets so I have no idea whats the different between sets DPS and combined DPS. Also I would like to see some math outside of VW where you would need to keep am3 up with jumps not just poping the wing and also for whole cycle of JAs up/down. Im probably asking for too much tho.

[Churchill]

Those fights were basically ending as Angon wore off last night, so I think that data is pretty relevant. Motenten's sheets can be found here

[Atoreis]

Those fights were basically ending as Angon wore off last night, so I think that data is pretty relevant. Motenten's sheets can be found here

Whole VW is irrelevant imo... Why? Because you have no real time limit for it (30min is a joke obviously) and killing mob in 70 or 90 sec doesnt really change much. On top of that VW results are almost impossible to be used as some base calculation for other events because it has pretty unique conditions (Lots of temps/buffs/etc and very short fight making some JAs much more efficient than they are in long term). I would like to see a math for NewNyzul (Even excluding details like lamps floors), Einharjar but with T-IT mobs since thats how Einv2 will look like probably, Qilin type of fight but w/o all VW temps and at least 5 min long. I know that Im asking for something that cant be made fast and easy because I would done it myself then. IF someone have enough determination and math-skill then it would be cool to see.