Final Form Magian Weapons

[Oulanbator]

Probably depends on your job, on your dps/ws ratio, on the type of WS you do (single hit, multi-hit, crit WS, cheated ws...) and on the type of mob you're fighting (hight dmg weapons might be better for high end mobs, OAT weapons for trash mobs etc...)

I think you're also ignoring all the elemental + buff weapons which are sometimes better than older options.

[Kuishen]

So... about the Kurodachi...

Did somebody just disprove it yet again? Or was Thorny and them merely saying that yes it's better than Hagun but you should be using a polearm in most situations anyways?

Still confused as fuck.

[pchan]

kuro > soboro > hagun in high def situation

[Kuishen]

Forgive my stupidity but I want to be clear on this, as it's 4:30 AM and I haven't slept in quite a few days.

Those are 'greater than' signs and not just ->'s (arrows) right?

And I assume that I'm correct on the polearm is better than GK in most situations if you have decent buffs? I'm very new to SAM (as far as actually getting to play it) and it's my only true dd job.

[coldbrand]

I just saw a Pixie in Rolanberry Fields as well working on my BST.

[pchan]

polearm is good only if you can 5 hit it and have high pdif, so cor brdx2 dia3 in hwich case hagunx4 rdm is better

[Dooom]

You hardly need 3 buffers and dia3 to make polearm beat Hagun on most mobs :/

[Konda]

did pchan just say soboro is better than hagun in high defense situations?

edit: said wrong way round lol

[pchan]

did pchan just say soboro is better than hagun in high defense situations?

edit: said wrong way round lol

yes, slightly. It's called math. Hagun has slightly more dot than soboro and ignoring the pdif part they are about equal. @ 1.5 pdif hagun wins @ 1.0 pdif soboro wins.

[Konda]

yes, slightly. It's called math. Hagun has slightly more dot than soboro and ignoring the pdif part they are about equal. @ 1.5 pdif hagun wins @ 1.0 pdif soboro wins.

oh, so you're a SAM expert now?

I'm looking forward to your SAM101 video to go with your counter-tanking 101.

[pchan]

oh, so you're a SAM expert now?

I'm looking forward to your SAM101 video to go with your counter-tanking 101.

Oh you are a SAM expert now? Waiting on your math on soboro vs hagun (you can't).

[Arcsol]

A counter argument with the same statement? Seriously now....

[Konda]

I'd rather trust 5 years of first hand experience than so called "math"(it's called maths btw) by you.

[Demosthenes11]

I'd rather trust 5 years of first hand experience than so called "math"(it's called maths btw) by you.

grow a dick and do the math if you don't think it's right. You are a fucking idiot if you can't check the math yourself or you would rather trust someone being able to eyeball a 1% difference in damage.

[Nameless]

if ppl know the math, they wouldn't even begin to think that Hagun is better for harder stuff. ftp doesn't become more effective on high level mob, attack does. Soboro and Hagun both don't have attack on them, therefore, the difference, whichever you think is better, should be exactly the same against easy or harder mobs excluding tp feeding problem. You don't need to be a SAM expert to know how SAM and this game works. And no, base damage doesn't make you hit for zero less, attack does.

[Konda]

Maths can be used to prove a number of things which aren't correct.

for example:
let a=b
a^2 = ab
a^2 + a^2 = a^2 + ab
2a^2 = a^2 + ab
2a^2 - 2ab = a^2 + ab - 2ab
2a^2 -2ab = 2ab - av
2(a^2 - ab) = 1(a^2 - ab)
therefore 2=1

hey look 2=1, I used maths so it must be right.


What's more, you're from ex and you guys thing perdu WAR is better than amano SAM.

[ringthree]

kuro > soboro > hagun in high def situation

Wait... what? That doesn't make a god damn lick of sense.

Does pchan live in Bizarro world?

[Nameless]

Well, it is cuz you don't know what you are doing on that equation. The reason it turns out like that is because you are essentially doing 2 x 0 = 1 x 0, which both should have been 0. Remember you teacher tell you not to do number/0 ? that's what you are doing here to get rid of both zero to yell 2 = 1.

Also, so math tell you 2 = 1 because you are doing it wrong means others who do it right shouldn't rely on it?

[Priran]

Showing a Pixie popping in present day areas due to spammage of Bottled Pixies to the spring.

Yeah, and? We've known about pixies in the present day since like early 2008.

[ringthree]

if ppl know the math, they wouldn't even begin to think that Hagun is better for harder stuff. ftp doesn't become more effective on high level mob, attack does. Soboro and Hagun both don't have attack on them, therefore, the difference, whichever you think is better, should be exactly the same against easy or harder mobs excluding tp feeding problem. You don't need to be a SAM expert to know how SAM and this game works. And no, base damage doesn't make you hit for zero less, attack does.

What has happened to this thread?

Have the morons taken over BG just by shear number of asinine posts and driving off intelligent people.

Do you have a fucking clue as to how TP Bonus works? Do you have any idea how STR and base damage and level correction work?

Jesus, this has just gotten fucking retarded in here. What the fuck has happened?