Final Form Magian Weapons

[Shinryuu]

That Apoc didn't leave 5/5 merited souleater on for the duration did he?

[Shadida]

Colibri Bird PT take 2! Bit different this time:

Maridel DRK/SAM (Apoc)
Shadida RNG/WAR (Dragonmaw)
Verontis WAR/SAM (Perdu)
Tranquil COR/WHM
Tonicfly BRD/NIN
Traci RDM/WHM

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Maridel                 235778    35.02 %      140901           0         252       94625           0          0
Shadida                 278622    41.39 %         710      108169       18774      150969           0          0
Traci                       16     0.00 %           0           0           0           0          16          0
Tranquil                    22     0.00 %           0           0           0           0          22          0
Verontis                155361    23.08 %       82972           0           0       72389           0          0
SC: Fragmentation         2594     0.39 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Induration             819     0.12 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
Total                   673212   100.00 %      224583      108169       19026      317983          38          0


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Maridel              140901   59.76 %     598/46   92.86 %    52/577   220.80     78   138/705  334.44   13.04 %
Shadida                 710    0.25 %      13/55   19.12 %     31/85    54.62      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Verontis              82972   53.41 %     522/29   94.74 %    28/254   146.70     61   126/324  251.49   11.69 %


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi    R.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Shadida              108169   38.82 %     291/50   85.34 %   124/501   361.18     39   235/627  439.77   13.40 %


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Maridel                     94625    40.13 %     104/3    97.20 %    277/1738   909.86
 - Catastrophe              81855    86.50 %      95/3    96.94 %    277/1336   861.63
 - Guillotine               12334    13.03 %       8/0   100.00 %   1416/1738  1541.75
 - Slice                      436     0.46 %       1/0   100.00 %     436/436   436.00
Shadida                    150969    54.18 %      67/3    95.71 %    820/3010  2253.27
 - Slug Shot               150969   100.00 %      67/3    95.71 %    820/3010  2253.27
Verontis                    72389    46.59 %      87/0   100.00 %    224/1624   832.06
 - Raging Rush              72389   100.00 %      87/0   100.00 %    224/1624   832.06


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Maridel                       252     0.11 %      12/0   100.00 %       21/21    21.00
 - Weapon Bash                252   100.00 %      12/0   100.00 %       21/21    21.00
Shadida                     18774     6.74 %      14/0   100.00 %    765/2085  1341.00
 - Barrage                  17153    91.37 %      13/0   100.00 %    765/2085  1319.46
 - Eagle Eye Shot            1621     8.63 %       1/0   100.00 %   1621/1621  1621.00


Spell Damage
Player                  Spell Dmg   Spell %  #Spells  #Fail  S.Low/Hi     S.Avg  #MBurst  MB.Low/Hi   MB.Avg
Traci                          16  100.00 %        2      0       8/8      8.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Dia II                      16  100.00 %        2      0       8/8      8.00        0        0/0     0.00
Tranquil                       22  100.00 %       14      0       1/9      1.57        0        0/0     0.00
 - Banish                      22  100.00 %       14      0       1/9      1.57        0        0/0     0.00


Skillchain Damage
Skillchain          SC Dmg  # SC  SC.Low/Hi  SC.Avg
SC: Fragmentation     2594     3   167/1635  864.67
SC: Induration         819     1    819/819  819.00

This time we went with Chaos/Corsair's rolls the entire party. As you can see, it had a profound effect on my damage output. However, the ratio of my damage to Maridel's is almost exactly the same as it was the other day.

I have all the data for this go around, since I turned off all relevant filters. I also logged it and will be attempting to calculate the actual double attack %. If you want any other info let me know via PM since this is kinda cluttering the thread at this point, or what the hell I can just post it here.

Notice how my ranged accuracy is not capped yet my Slug Shot accuracy is. I chalk this up to the fact that nearly all my Slugs were done within the 5.0-5.9 sweet spot, whereas many ranged attacks were performed at point blank (because the mob closed in on me or moved around). It looks like the ranged accuracy penalty for being outside the sweet spot is pretty severe.

@Shinryuu - No, Maridel is 0/5 Souleater. He's 5/5 Last Resort Effect/Recast instead. He's got 5/5 Desperate Blows and will be working on Diabolic Eye next.

Some highlights:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2728/colibri1.png

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2320/colibri2.png

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5236/colibri3.png

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1691/colibri4.png

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4899/colibri5.png

I'll stop clogging the thread with parses now.

edit: K I lied - one more parse, with Maridel maybe on WAR and Vegetto's SAM, later tonight.

[DAKPluto]

Woop!

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/pictu...&pictureid=461

[Cleverness]

Inc leet RR/KJ/SC screenshots

[Shadida]

Ok, so I went through and counted the double procs and I came up with 90. So, of 341 ranged attacks, 180 of them were part of a double attack, and 161 were not. So I actually only performed 251 ranged attacks.

161 singles vs 90 doubles = 64.14% single, 35.86% double. Hmm...

[barber2006]

I may be asking for something that has been posted. But would you mind sharing your gear sets?

[Wulfgang]

Merit against a real Apoc DRK!

[Soho]

161 singles vs 90 doubles = 64.14% single, 35.86% double. Hmm...

Which brings me back to the question I asked earlier:
Has anyone seen an actual parse from any of the 2H OAT weapons?

Do we know for a fact that the proc rate is 40% on them yet?

It doesn't seem beyond reason that they would make different proc rates for different weapons. Especially since we now know that they've made it different from how Joyeuse or Jailer Weapons work.

[Malacite]

Exactly, not to mention you get to DA jump and high jump with those weapons. Dmg is a small measure when your WS is 50% str modifier, meaning your D is diluted in its importance in the damage formula.

Remember, it is (D + fstr + WSC) x ftp x cratio as your WS damage, and (D + fstr) x cratio as your normal hit damage. So the D value is always diluted.

Assuming on a weapon with 107 vs 76 dmg. It seems like it should be a 41% difference. But if you take fstr in, it is 107 + 19 = 126 vs 76 + 16 = 92, a 37% difference. And that is assuming you are able to take advantage of that extra fstr, which can be a problem on TP.

If both have 140 str on WS, WSC will be 58. 107 + 19 + 58 = 184 vs 76 + 19 + 58 = 153. The difference on WS damage is 20% only.

OAT polearm with higher delay will have easier true 6 hit build, and it will ws 30-40% more, which is more than enough to top the 20% different on WS damage, and 40% difference on normal tp hit. The thing that will make it close is the triple damage and 20 acc. But to say OAT doesn't have a chance is trusting too much into base damage, it is one of the most overrated stats in the game.

And yet you people claim just the opposite when it came to Ryunohige vs Gugnir, despite the auto-crit on Jumps & AM affecting the Wyvern.

Make up your minds.

[Shadida]

Which brings me back to the question I asked earlier:
Has anyone seen an actual parse from any of the 2H OAT weapons?

Do we know for a fact that the proc rate is 40% on them yet?

It doesn't seem beyond reason that they would make different proc rates for different weapons. Especially since we now know that they've made it different from how Joyeuse or Jailer Weapons work.

KParser doesn't process this at all for ranged attacks yet, hopefully it can be added? I had to calculate mine manually by actually going through the log and counting.

Gearsets:

Spoiler: show

TP:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7770/dragonmawtp.png

Mekki Shakki, Axe Grip, Dragonmaw, Silver Bullet, Zha'Go's Barbut, Faith Torque, Altdorf's Earring, Wilhelm's Earring, Mirke Wardecors (R.atk+10, Snapshot+5), Blood Finger Gauntlets, Rajas Ring, Behemoth Ring +1, Amemet Mantle +1, Scout's Belt, Skadi's Chausses, Skadi's Jambeaux

WS:
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1435/dragonmawws.png

Mekki Shakki, Axe Grip, Dragonmaw, Silver Bullet, Anwig Salade (STR+4 R.acc+10 R.atk+5 WS Acc+15), Light Gorget, Altdorf's Earring, Wilhelm's Earring, Kirin's Osode, Seiryu's Kote, Rajas Ring, Behemoth Ring +1, Amemet Mantle +1, Buccaneer's Belt, Hachiryu Haidate, Hachiryu Sune-ate

Barrage:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9...mawbarrage.png

Mekki Shakki, Axe Grip, Dragonmaw, Silver Bullet, Anwig Salade, Faith Torque, Altdorf's Earring, Wilhelm's Earring, Skadi's Cuirie, Hunter's Bracers +1, Behemoth Ring +1, Behemoth Ring +1, Mamool Ja Mantle, Scout's Belt, Desultor Tassets (Barrage+1, R.acc+7), Skadi's Jambeaux

All I lack is a Hightail Bullet, and 3 more marksmanship merits.

[Magitek]

Merit against a real Apoc DRK!

ANOTHER CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED!

[Nightfyre]

And yet you people claim just the opposite when it came to Ryunohige vs Gugnir, despite the auto-crit on Jumps & AM affecting the Wyvern.

Make up your minds.

Ryunohige fucks with your WS frequency because you have to save up to 300 TP and there's also the ever-present risk of arriving just before or after aftermath wears off. There's no contradiction Further, there's also the defense down proc which hasn't been mentioned thus far... depending on other things it may or may not be a fairly potent factor in Gungnir's favor.

[Allelujah]

lol i kinda wanna post my rng gear, but idk, it's well equipped, but weird. maybe i'll make a LJ post or something.

[Shadida]

FINAL COLIBRI SHOWDOWN OF ULTIMATE DESTINY

Maridel WAR/SAM (Perdu)
Tigerwoods SAM/WAR (Tomoe)
Shadida RNG/WAR (Dragonmaw)
Kaworu COR/RNG (Joy+Martial)
Eade WHM/SCH
Ayer BRD/NIN

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Kaworu                   52583     7.99 %       23023           0        2592       26968           0          0
Maridel                 165970    25.22 %       77206           0           0       86427           0       2337
Shadida                 197970    30.08 %         634       81997       12620      102719           0          0
Tigerwoods              239596    36.41 %       89495           0           0      149763           0        338
SC: Compression            105     0.02 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Fragmentation          572     0.09 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Transfixion           1294     0.20 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
Total                   658090   100.00 %      190358       81997       15212      365877           0       2675


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Kaworu                23023   43.78 %    668/147   81.96 %      0/68    30.68     69    34/106   67.35   10.33 %
Maridel               77206   46.52 %     446/27   94.29 %    31/256   155.49     67   157/336  272.78   15.02 %
Shadida                 634    0.32 %      17/61   21.79 %      0/86    37.29      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Tigerwoods            89495   37.35 %     541/73   88.11 %     0/278   151.95     58     0/387  277.67   10.72 %


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi    R.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Shadida               81997   41.42 %     269/29   90.27 %   119/441   298.88     27   155/503  358.11   10.04 %


Other Physical Damage  (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player            CA.Dmg  CA.Hit/Miss  CA.Low/Hi  CA.Avg   Ret.Dmg  Ret.Hit/Miss  Ret.Low/Hi  Ret.Avg
Maridel                0          0/0        0/0    0.00      2337          14/0      78/315   166.93
Tigerwoods           338          3/0     70/188  112.67         0           0/0         0/0     0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Kaworu                      26968    51.29 %      40/8    83.33 %      94/872   674.20
 - Slug Shot                26968   100.00 %      40/8    83.33 %      94/872   674.20
Maridel                     86427    52.07 %      91/0   100.00 %    267/1757   949.75
 - King's Justice           11479    13.28 %      14/0   100.00 %    435/1498   819.93
 - Penta Thrust              4203     4.86 %       5/0   100.00 %    486/1386   840.60
 - Raging Rush              70745    81.86 %      72/0   100.00 %    267/1757   982.57
Shadida                    102719    51.89 %     55/17    76.39 %    820/2678  1867.62
 - Slug Shot               102719   100.00 %     55/17    76.39 %    820/2678  1867.62
Tigerwoods                 149763    62.51 %     130/0   100.00 %      0/2284  1152.02
 - Penta Thrust            149763   100.00 %     130/0   100.00 %      0/2284  1152.02


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Kaworu                       2592     4.93 %       9/0   100.00 %     133/444   288.00
 - Barrage                   2592   100.00 %       9/0   100.00 %     133/444   288.00
Shadida                     12620     6.37 %      10/0   100.00 %    562/1790  1262.00
 - Barrage                  12620   100.00 %      10/0   100.00 %    562/1790  1262.00
Tigerwoods                      0     0.00 %       5/0   100.00 %         0/0     0.00
 - Blade Bash                   0     0.00 %       5/0   100.00 %         0/0     0.00


Skillchain Damage
Skillchain          SC Dmg  # SC  SC.Low/Hi  SC.Avg
SC: Compression        105     1    105/105  105.00
SC: Fragmentation      572     2     55/517  286.00
SC: Transfixion       1294     2    303/991  647.00

Used Chaos+Corsair's for a while til we said fuck it, we'll kill Wivres too and switched to Chaos+Samurai. Again, double march for melees, pp min 4 for me.

So, while the Dragonmaw is very nice... it still can't contend with SAM with pimped gear, Overwhelm, full-time Hasso, Double Attack, and 2xMarch+Haste on birds.

inb4 nerf SAM

[Cream Soda]

Grr wtf was i doing, just checked over my parse of it, hasso was only up 91% of the time . I must have been jacking off or something.

[Meat]

Merit against a real Apoc DRK!

he cant, i quit

[Tsuko_Asura]

Just as suspected, RA-RNG still can't content with haste.

[Nameless]

now let's see an OAT polearm drg vs sam for a real showdown.

[Villian]

Silly question but why you're using mekki instead of vucaln staff Shadida? Oh is bucc belt better than scout for slugshot? Been using scout for slug.

[NynJa]

SE needs to implement a mode that constantly fires ranged...ranged delay / snapshot is a joke atm since if you go too fast, you wind up slowing down.