Final Form Magian Weapons

[pooter01]

Footwork has had potential even before wargfangs. I've outparsed better geared mnk/war's as mnk/drg with footwork full time. Motenten has spoken of his experience with footwork on chariots on the alla forums, with parses and graphs to back it up. changing to /drg with footwork, the gear that i normally change is destroyers > wahg. Fuma > KK. and use wyvern instead of the currently appropriate earring. Those changed alone, raise my haste by 2%, give +35 acc, and about +80 atk(20 from feet, 14 from weapon, rest from +10% from footwork). That actually raises my attack more with /drg footwork, than /war's average attack between berserk up/down.

The next big difference is debating jump vs double attack. The higher the haste, the more of an impact DA has(more chances to proc in same timeframe), while Jump is constant regardless of haste. TP return on Jump is 26+, significantly higher than the 5tp from each DA. people have debated these two subs even well before footwork, and seen /drg as potential, but slightly lacking. One thing I noted on my parse last night (limbus as mnk/drg) was that my melee/WS split changed to 75% WS 25% melee. I ended up slightly ahead of a very well geared DRK/SAM in both melee damage, and WS damage. And I performed more WS's than even the sam. that's including my one death where i sat in range for 5 mins not doing anything.

General things I've noticed about it's effectiveness vs. /war h2h:
Better gear(ie: full usu) supports war better.
Higher haste: helps war slightly
Higher acc:helps war slightly
Higher atk: helps /drg better

tldr: There are situations for both

[pooter01]

Noting on the Kick rate. My parse last night gave me a Double kick rate of ~20%(removed 3 triple rounds(impossible with footwork) and 3 double rounds to account for footwork falling). which falls in line with 12.5% base, 5% brutal, and my 3 merits.(~19% theorized). Given the current tests with wargs showed a double kick rate of ~55% with 5 merits.(theory assuming 40% OAT puts at ~52%. theory assuming they are additive is 62.5%) 62.5% should be getting close to(if not already) being outside the margin of error for the 55% tested value, while 52% is still well within that margin. Signs still point toward each source procing independently, and directionally.

[Malacite]

So what's the final verdict on Kurodachi? Worth doing?

I'm on the 400 plants stage, and I'm on the fence about farming the 700 mobs I need to get to krab shells. On the one hand, it's best I do it before the update because @80 finding EP mobs will probably get a hell of a lot harder. But if the weapon sucks, or the trials don't continue for an even more epic weapon, then I've wasted a lot of my time.

[Thorny]

it's an upgrade atm, barely

sam is my most played melee, i have more than 10 krab shells in my storage from trying for mnd ring, and it's not impressive enough to me to do the plain trials.. take that however you want

[Rionel]

I wonder how Good Kurodachi will be if it gets "Occasionally Attacks Two to Three times" like Soboro?

Unless it still wouldn't be as good as existing options. =( I dunno!

[KSDI]

Thorny just said Kurodachi is barely an improvement to Hagun as is, (which by the way, still means it is an improvement), so unless your aim is to do less damage it follows that the weapon attacking more often would make it even better.

[Malacite]

It's got more base DMG than Soboro, and WS 40% more often vs +20% WS damage (though TP overflow has to be taken into account I suppose)


Plus, and I can't say for certain but it's my guess that Kurodachi and the other OAT weapons are the base forms of these new "Ultimate" weapons and their trials will continue in the June update. Even if they aren't the ultimates though, if their trials do go on and they get better, then Hagun is officially done. Thank f'ing God, DIAF you PoS ENM drop I HATE YOU! /rage

[Gtype954]

Any info on whether the occ attacks twice polearm is any good and the occ. attacks twice scythe?

I haven't read through 32 pages But I hear from alot of ppl that these are potentially on par with the relic weapons >_> of their class.
Also how does the 89 DMG Great Katana fare against hagun in WS damage?

[Khelek]

Any info on whether the occ attacks twice polearm is any good and the occ. attacks twice scythe?

I haven't read through 32 pages But I hear from alot of ppl that these are potentially on par with the relic weapons >_> of their class.
Also how does the 89 DMG Great Katana fare against hagun in WS damage?

Think it was mentioned that those two in particular are amazing.

[pooter01]

Any info on whether the occ attacks twice polearm is any good and the occ. attacks twice scythe?

I haven't read through 32 pages But I hear from alot of ppl that these are potentially on par with the relic weapons >_> of their class.
Also how does the 89 DMG Great Katana fare against hagun in WS damage?

Hagun will still outdo 89 dmg Gkatana on anything you're not saving to 300%. I believe it was stated that you would need 92 dmg to compete with hagun on a 450 delay.

[Allelujah]

Some Lightning Teiwaz action +3 magic damage
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...15/niddamg.png

[vagus]

Some Lightning Teiwaz action +3 magic damage
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...15/niddamg.png

what kind of buffs? Double Lighting? Magic Attack / Magic Acc roll? gear.

[Allelujah]

BLM roll, creampuff, double lightning.

Teiwaz
buggardstrap+1
phantom tathlum
Ebonhat (MAB+3 vs dragons)
Uggy
Moldy/Novio
Ebonbody (MAB+3 vs dragons)
Morrigan cuffs
Sorc/Snow
Hecate's Cape
Sorc Belt
ASA (MAB+4/MB+10%)
Yigit feet

[Magitek]

How much damage does the lightning Teiwaz put out versus Jupiter's on stuff like puddings O.o. Very impressive, I'm no BLM, but damn that's hot

[tsola]

How much does damage does the lightning Teiwaz put out versus Jupiter's on stuff like puddings O.o. Very impressive, I'm no BLM, but damn that's hot

Jupiter's:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vdqtts.jpg

Teiwaz:
http://i43.tinypic.com/120jb41.jpg

[cdgreg]

How much does damage does the lightning Teiwaz put out versus Jupiter's on stuff like puddings O.o. Very impressive, I'm no BLM, but damn that's hot

Fancy answer...

Jupiter is 15% damage / 30 magic acc

The mac on staff is not a % it's constant

considering NQ staves are 20 mac, you can expect 40 magic acc from the new staves

so the "affinity : +1 mac" would be something like affinity+1 where base_affinity=10 magic accuracy and "afinity : +1 magic damage" would be would be affinity+1 where base_affinity = 5% magic damage.

The result from affinity : mac+n / mdmg+m would be

(n+1)*10 mac and (m+1)*5% dmg

You'll add about 4-5% dmg for -10macc vs jupiter's

[Allelujah]

I hit a 2500 burst 2 on puddings, but was testing it out w/ a cor roll + thundersday.

[Snprphnx]

whats a decent setup to burn through the hippogryphs in Grauberg_S. need to do my hippo stage for OAT gun for rng and cor.

thx in advance

[Dooom]

They're only DC-EM, most melee + healer combos can kill 'em safely enough. Each time I've been out there to dual box them I've ended up teaming up with other dancers, thfs, and drks killing them for trials. I'm sure they'd gladly team up with your corsair.

[Nauq]

Finished OAT Luchtaine yesterday!

528 melee rounds with brutal earring (20% DA), kparser reported 50.57% DA.