Abyssea HNMs

[Scritch]

I've personally seen non-ES Slow II's land with XI Warlock's Roll behind them on blob, but that's about it.

[Foldypaws]

Is it true that all Tier 3 VNMs resist (or immune to) RDM's non-ES Slow? I don't recall seeing Slow II land even once on Verthandi and I have near perfect debuff gear + merit.

Wiki said T3 Vampyr's immune to all debuffs, does it include ES + Elegy?

I was 0/7 or so landing Poison II on the Vampyr, and almost nothing resists that, so I might go so far as to say he's just flat out immune to debuffs, although I didn't try with ES.

And 0/5 or so on Slow II also, and I've got near perfect gear + merits as well, and 5/5 slow II. (only missing enfeebling cape)

[Raiven]

Is it true that all Tier 3 VNMs resist (or immune to) RDM's non-ES Slow? I don't recall seeing Slow II land even once on Verthandi and I have near perfect debuff gear + merit.

Wiki said T3 Vampyr's immune to all debuffs, does it include ES + Elegy?

Did T3 Vamp the other day as BRD/WHM and managed to land Elegy on it a handful of times. Felt like it had the same resist rate as Khim/Cerb, with Battlefield landing more easily than Carnage.

[lolwut]

I was 0/7 or so landing Poison II on the Vampyr, and almost nothing resists that, so I might go so far as to say he's just flat out immune to debuffs, although I didn't try with ES.

And 0/5 or so on Slow II also, and I've got near perfect gear + merits as well, and 5/5 slow II. (only missing enfeebling cape)

I have the cape, along with D Chap+1 and a pretty maxed enfeebling set, and I couldn't stick Slow II on the crab either. I think their resistances are just set high to still be challenging post level cap, but as was said before they don't outright resist as a trait.

[Natsuchii]

I was having no problem landing Elegy without ES on Blob last night and my BRD gear sucks lol.

[Rocl]

I land Slow2 on the Vampyr and Krabkatoa without ES, it's not a great stick rate, but definitely possible. So my only advice is to, of course, suck less. Just another NM where you can't depend on Slow if you don't bring Elemental Seal, it might happen, but don't expect it.

[Fiendishone]

Shoggoth (The most I know is to kite using the mountain)

I attempted to COR solo this one, thinking I'd have no problem ranging the spell casting. Went as COR/NIN, shadows, movement speed, DNC & BLM rolls, etc. QD shots did about 2-3% dmg each time. Then along came a Chainspell. Sleepga 2 -> Blizzard IV -> Sleepga 2 -> Thunder IV -> Game over.

The first Sleepga 2 I didn't even see fire, wasn't in my chat log, it just hit me and it was over shortly after.

I may try a few more attempts and try to range the CS when I'm bored enough.

Can't really find many Tier 2's I can solo on COR. Most/all of them have movement speed.

[Kidnoftle]

I was quite pissed off when I discovered this as well!

Fucking thirded.

[Windfoxster]

Fucking thirded.

Fourth! Just tried it 2days ago and it said no effect.

You can land slow2 on vampy/krab and elegy too on vampy, didn't test on krab though.

[Taruking]

I land Slow2 on the Vampyr and Krabkatoa without ES, it's not a great stick rate, but definitely possible. So my only advice is to, of course, suck less. Just another NM where you can't depend on Slow if you don't bring Elemental Seal, it might happen, but don't expect it.

No RDM should ever rely on ES to land Slow. BRD/BLM works because of Troubadour. And I highly doubt any decent group will wipe to Tier 3 VNMs simply because their RDMs can't land Slow II reliably.

I only asked the question because it makes sense for me to play other jobs and get a less well geared RDM to handle refresh/haste.

[Khajit]

The vamp absorbs buffs. Have you considered that it simply has haste still on it when you're trying to slow it?

[ZhiGaruda]

So, have we figured out how Yilbegan's damage taken works yet? We were having, what ended up seeming like absolutely random damage spikes. Having read previous comments / Wiki, we tried the whole damage-while-casting, damage-just-after-JA, and nothing worked every single time.

All in all we were having the best luck treating it like Fafnir, SAM's SC'ing and BLMs MB'ing. Even resisted, the MBs did pretty good damage (350-400ish, it seemed like)

[Malacite]

So what's the winning strategy for Krab if he's so easy?

[bigpapi]

So, have we figured out how Yilbegan's damage taken works yet? We were having, what ended up seeming like absolutely random damage spikes. Having read previous comments / Wiki, we tried the whole damage-while-casting, damage-just-after-JA, and nothing worked every single time.

All in all we were having the best luck treating it like Fafnir, SAM's SC'ing and BLMs MB'ing. Even resisted, the MBs did pretty good damage (350-400ish, it seemed like)

Lol I'm surprised yall didn't figure out RNGs own this thing.

[TybudX]

Anybody know what Ruthven's evasion is like? Would a well geared COR be able to land shots reliably with Sushi and/or Prelude?

[Demosthenes11]

So what's the winning strategy for Krab if he's so easy?

treat it like a normal mob. wtf is so hard here

[Thorny]

So what's the winning strategy for Krab if he's so easy?

have people stand >20' from it and reduce it's hp to 0

what's the fucking problem..? it's laughable trio and not even that bad duo

[Foldypaws]

Anybody know what Ruthven's evasion is like? Would a well geared COR be able to land shots reliably with Sushi and/or Prelude?

Probably with "and". We had a 72 ranger on him (so 4 higher skill than a 75 COR, + Acc bonus III+IV, and her acc was something like 80-85% with Pot a Feu (parsed, I just don't exactly remember the number))

I could ask them what their gear was and back-figure to find rough evasion numbers.

[Darkmagi]

So what's the winning strategy for Krab if he's so easy?

Been said multiple times in the thread already. Easiest especially for a smaller group, 2 tanks ping pong strategy from aprox 20 distance from each other. No melees in range, bring a bunch of BLM, SMN, and or RNG.

[Rocl]

No RDM should ever rely on ES to land Slow. BRD/BLM works because of Troubadour. And I highly doubt any decent group will wipe to Tier 3 VNMs simply because their RDMs can't land Slow II reliably.

I only asked the question because it makes sense for me to play other jobs and get a less well geared RDM to handle refresh/haste.

Wasn't commenting on relying on Slow to win, but relying on Slow to land.

The vamp absorbs buffs. Have you considered that it simply has haste still on it when you're trying to slow it?

That would show "Slow has no effect" rather "Lord Ruthven resists the spell."