Abyssea HNMs

[Thorny]

If you're casting deodorize while having aggro on a Taurus, chances are you're far enough to be out of its sight-tracking range. So, I don't believe they track by scent and puddles don't do shit for that reason.

Hey retard. Puddles deaggro taurii, deodorize doesn't. Good try. Sleep a taurus at the bottom of u.range, composure deodorize, and start climbing. See how long it takes you to die. What's difficult about the concept of true sight mobs having scent/sound/sight tracking?

Ghrah: True, aggros and tracks by sound
Yovra: True, aggros and tracks by sound
Phuabo: true, aggros and tracks by sight
Zdei: true, aggros and tracks by sight
Orcish Warlord: true, aggros by sight, tracks by scent
Taurus: true, aggros by sight, tracks by scent
<Bees, Orcs, dozen other families: aggros by sight, tracks by scent

The example I already gave is the best way to see it though: Pop Lamprey Lord during rain and bring it to the pinning spot. You don't even lose your colorful or experience, if you're so convinced I'm wrong why won't you go pop a pair of powder boots and try it?

[miokomioko]

Hey retard. Puddles deaggro taurii, deodorize doesn't. Good try. Sleep a taurus at the bottom of u.range, composure deodorize, and start climbing. See how long it takes you to die.

Yes, I misread what you wrote. Doodoohead.

Either way, how does the tauri example help your argument? Deodorize sucks and it's not their true-sight capabilities that are making them climb a fucking mountain to get to you while a puddle will stop them in their tracks. Also consider that you aren't comparing the same exact mobs in puddles and climbing the Range, they just happen to be in the same family. I have sent a BST pet on a Taurus on one end of the Aqueducts that I aggro'd and ran halfway through to the other side with deoderize/invisible/sneak on just to be safe and started resting. My pet died and I was fine.

[Thorny]

Either way, how does the tauri example help your argument? Deodorize sucks and it's not their true-sight capabilities that are making them climb a fucking mountain to get to you while a puddle will stop them in their tracks.

It's their scent tracking. A scent mob will not deaggro unless water or deodorize are involved. A true scent mob will not deaggro unless water is involved. Sleep2 a bee in saruta, go all the way across the zone, wait 10 minutes, it'll catch up. Repeat same experiment with deodorize, it won't. Pull Lamprey Lord in rain and it'll depop every 20'. Pull Lamprey Lord with deodorize up and it won't. Not a hard connection to make.

Also consider that you aren't comparing the same exact mobs in puddles and climbing the Range, they just happen to be in the same family. I have sent a BST pet on a Taurus on one end of the Aqueducts that I aggro'd and ran halfway through to the other side with deoderize/invisible/sneak on just to be safe and started resting. My pet died and I was fine.

What is it that those canals phomiuna is full of contain exactly?

[miokomioko]

What is it that those canals phomiuna is full of contain exactly?

There wasn't water between us. I know that damn place like the back of my hand.

[Onorgul]

At the risk of taunting lions with my exposed genitals, isn't it somewhat common for normal mobs (not NMs, at least not to my experience) to de-aggro at random even when they do not track by scent? After years of pulling as Bard and occasionally losing mobs in water- and rain-free areas, I thought it was just one of those strange glitches. I know I've lost Borer Beetles in Garlaige Citadel from time to time and they're standard scent-trackers.

[Thorny]

There wasn't water between us. I know that damn place like the back of my hand.

I have events, but I'll go take some screenshots in phomiuna after if you really need me to.

@Above Poster: It's not normal, no. A standard non-scent mob will deaggro once you're out of tracking range for 30 seconds. Bats should deaggro there but no clue why beetles would..

[Gosyac]

I did a quick search of the thread, but nothing come up so here's my question:
Can someone pop the VNM, log out, log back in, and still get credit/chance at upgrade?

[Yugl]

L-man strat for Blob so that I can explain it to people who have never done it before (That includes me). Most posts just say RDM/NIN 2x + RDM for Diaga + 2-3 BLM for Nuke aga. Anything to worry about (AoE Slime move?) between the start > Pets > kill?

[mackerel]

L-man strat for Blob so that I can explain it to people who have never done it before (That includes me). Most posts just say RDM/NIN 2x + RDM for Diaga + 2-3 BLM for Nuke aga. Anything to worry about (AoE Slime move?) between the start > Pets > kill?

It has a nasty damage+knockback+graviga move with range about 20, and even if your Diaga person is careful about position, Blob moving slightly > knockbackga > petga will be a problem for tanks if you don't have a backup plan.

[miokomioko]

I have events, but I'll go take some screenshots in phomiuna after if you really need me to.

I don't. It was a Taurus. It lost aggro chasing me halfway from Mahisha to Tres Duendes. That's all she wrote.

Enough of the tangent. How about them VNMs?

[Thorny]

I don't. It was a Taurus. It lost aggro chasing me halfway from Mahisha to Tres Duendes. That's all she wrote.

Enough of the tangent. How about them VNMs?

Well, if you think you're right, then clearly you do need me to post it. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but if you don't want to provide any evidence more than your word it doesn't mean much.

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Exhibit A: Ladders in Phomiuna deaggro mobs if you're the only person on the hate list, your pet probably died before you went up the ladder.
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Exhibit B: They don't. fucking. deaggro. Distance turned on in the later ones since I couldn't turn around to show perspective, never went <20.
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What next, going to insist it only works on BST?

[Yugl]

It has a nasty damage+knockback+graviga move with range about 20, and even if your Diaga person is careful about position, Blob moving slightly > knockbackga > petga will be a problem for tanks if you don't have a backup plan.

So I guess we just wing it if/when that happens?

[miokomioko]

stuff

I didn't need pictures to believe you could get killed by a Stegotaur. Haha~

I can explain all I like... I can explain to you that I aggrovated a Stegotaur by Mahisha when I peeked down into the room from on top of the ladder at K-5... I can explain that I just put my shitty Gloop on it right away since I was going to eventually Familiar an Oil Spill for farming subligars... I can explain that I immediately sneak/invis/deoderized just to be cautious at the time since I wasn't sure how they tracked... I can explain that there's no ladder climbing or water on the path west from Mahisha... I can explain that I then sat and rested MP back because BST/WHM has barely any MP while keeping an eye on whether my pet was dead or not, which is wasn't... I can explain that I was sitting there, and my Gloop's name disappeared and I was expecting to get hosed by a Stegotaur since I wasn't near anything reliably charmable... I can explain that it never ended up coming.

But you'll just argue and generally just be an asshole instead of saying something like "oh, that's really weird, Tauri have never once de-aggro'd for me without water, that's really odd, maybe it's something to do with the charmed pet dying or uncharming so far away, or simply a glitch..."

Moving on:

Is it ApRadar that's allowing people to see VNMs around or fillmode or something? (I'm very unfamiliar with most tools) Are they literally underground or just invisible? What is the maximum yalms that you can rest at and pop a VNM?

[Darkmagi]

Apradar with See all unlocked.

[fishstix]

There's also a plugin that shows the mobs above ground, but I dont use it nor know what it's called. I think the max is 4 yalms away before being too far, idk exactly though.

@ Goysac I think~ you can... but not sure. I know if you're dead when it dies, you can still get it changed though. Why would you ever need to log in and out?

[Massimo]

Is it ApRadar that's allowing people to see VNMs around or fillmode or something? (I'm very unfamiliar with most tools) Are they literally underground or just invisible?

They're invisible. Go to 'Unlock ApRadar', type in "I see dead people", click 'Show all' and you'll be able to see them.

What is the maximum yalms that you can rest at and pop a VNM?

4.9

[Thorny]

I didn't need pictures to believe you could get killed by a Stegotaur. Haha~

I can explain all I like... I can explain to you that I aggrovated a Stegotaur by Mahisha when I peeked down into the room from on top of the ladder at K-5... I can explain that I just put my shitty Gloop on it right away since I was going to eventually Familiar an Oil Spill for farming subligars... I can explain that I immediately sneak/invis/deoderized just to be cautious at the time since I wasn't sure how they tracked... I can explain that there's no ladder climbing or water on the path west from Mahisha... I can explain that I then sat and rested MP back because BST/WHM has barely any MP while keeping an eye on whether my pet was dead or not, which is wasn't... I can explain that I was sitting there, and my Gloop's name disappeared and I was expecting to get hosed by a Stegotaur since I wasn't near anything reliably charmable... I can explain that it never ended up coming.

But you'll just argue and generally just be an asshole instead of saying something like "oh, that's really weird, Tauri have never once de-aggro'd for me without water, that's really odd, maybe it's something to do with the charmed pet dying or uncharming so far away, or simply a glitch..."

So basically, I gave you irrefutable proof and all you're saying is 'lol i said so, so i'm right'. If you experienced a glitch, that's fine, but it doesn't change anything about mechanics. Next time I farm VNM I'll take the time to show a lamprey lord deaggroing every 10 seconds before I upgrade my colorful on something useful. I woke that stegotaur up at :04:51 and died at :07:10, never having gone within 20'. I had deodorize on for the last minute as well. They don't deaggro under normal circumstances.. perhaps thunder weather acts like water weather as thunder is usually accompanied by rain? Bit of a stretch, but both garlaige and phomiuna get thunder. Realistically though, I think you just remembered wrong and won't admit it.

[Red Demon Taoist]

It's not proof unless you do it with a pet.

[Draylo]

Seems like they never give up in ugly range.

[Fryte]

Back when I used to do Ugly Range ENM every week, sometimes taurus would chase me all the way up the mountain, deodorize or not, but other times they'd deaggro even without deodorize. I'm guessing weather has something to do with it.