Nvidia Magazine Exclusive Article.

[Croy]

Honestly the real hardware "power" you need is a monitor/screen with a 120hz refresh rate. Stereoscopic 3D gaming takes up about the same requirements that playing on normal 3D (what we're used to) rendering does. The way they get around rendering everything twice at once, is by alternating the viewing point. You're seeing it from one eye one instance and the other eye the next. It's like alternating blinking each eye, only fast enough you don't notice the blinking.

Yes you need a 120hz monitor (true 120hz, capable of outputing and accept inputs at that speed which most TV's don't have ) but as someone that actually has the 3Dvision glasses, I can tell you there is a dramatic difference in computational performance needed to perform a decent 3D effect. You essentially need double the GPU proccessing speed to get the same frame rate as you would for a 2D effect BECAUSE the computer (and in this case the PS3) needs to make 2 separate alternated frames. Unless the 3D effect on the PS3 is enabled through toning down the resolution to save resources, its only going to be another limitation added on to the pipeline for the game down the road.

As for the people saying 3D is a fad, well I personally don't think it is, and I love playing games with my glasses, especially for the ones that actually work flawlessly .

[Celeras]

The Fermis are not going to be able to compete with ATI's cards.

They're faster, and cheaper(until ati price drops if they decice to do so). Just saying.

[Asai]

Yes you need a 120hz monitor (true 120hz, capable of outputing and accept inputs at that speed which most TV's don't have ) but as someone that actually has the 3Dvision glasses, I can tell you there is a dramatic difference in computational performance needed to perform a decent 3D effect. You essentially need double the GPU proccessing speed to get the same frame rate as you would for a 2D effect BECAUSE the computer (and in this case the PS3) needs to make 2 separate alternated frames. Unless the 3D effect on the PS3 is enabled through toning down the resolution to save resources, its only going to be another limitation added on to the pipeline for the game down the road.

As for the people saying 3D is a fad, well I personally don't think it is, and I love playing games with my glasses, especially for the ones that actually work flawlessly .

Yea, I can definitely understand not wanting it on the PS3 version at least. But I do agree, also, that this time around 3D isn't just a fad that's gonna quickly pass by because people don't like wearing the glasses. These same people saying the glasses are dumb are gonna be wearing the VR helmet monitor crazy shit if/whenever that's perfected.

[Cautery]

I guess my HD5970 is able to run FFXIV pretty well and better than the upcoming GTX480!

Fuck nVidia! :D

p.s.: the picture in the magazine cover is very cool!

[Cureslime]

The best thing that will come out of Fermi is that ATI will be forced to stop gouging on their higher end cards. I hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8

[Celeras]

I guess my HD5970 is able to run FFXIV pretty well and better than the upcoming GTX480!

It better, the 5970 is 2 GPUs while the 480 is a single GPU. Regardless, it will be more than enough horsepower for anything coming out in the next couple years.

[Spira]

wow... that Hyur on the cover is smoking hot.. sexy.

everything seems to have been said before.. but I will comment on one thing that stood out..

FFXIV's available zones will be slightly smaller than FFXIII.. which doesn't say much to most people.. but the reality is that FFXIII actually has a very huge 3d environment. It just doesn't let you walk amongst most of it, in keeping with the linear progress of the games story.

So don't take size of the environment to be the same as walkable area in the game.. its a huge difference.

[naninani]

The best thing that will come out of Fermi is that ATI will be forced to stop gouging on their higher end cards. I hope.

God I hope so.
There's no way manufacturers can maintain a $600+ price point on the 5970, since the even the Fermis will supposedly be cheaper at launch. To be honest, I'll take either one. Both have the horsepower, but man a little competition to drive the prices down a little would be nice...

[Lucavi]

God I hope so.
There's no way manufacturers can maintain a $600+ price point on the 5970, since the even the Fermis will supposedly be cheaper at launch. To be honest, I'll take either one. Both have the horsepower, but man a little competition to drive the prices down a little would be nice...

^ Like the pizza industry right now, with everyone offering 10 dollar larges on all their specialty pizzas. Competition between big companies always means good things for the consumer.

[futan]

They're faster, and cheaper(until ati price drops if they decice to do so). Just saying.

wut? The 470 is said to be about 5-10% faster(won't know if this is true until reviewers get their hands on it.) than a 5850 and is about $20-$40 more(not cheaper). The 480 is said to be about 5-10% faster than a 5870 and is about $100 more(also not cheaper). nVidia has not released any information on competition for the 5970 currently. This isn't including any price raises because of supply/demand.

[Celeras]

wut? The 470 is said to be about 5-10% faster(won't know if this is true until reviewers get their hands on it.) than a 5850 and is about $20-$40 more(not cheaper). The 480 is said to be about 5-10% faster than a 5870 and is about $100 more(also not cheaper). nVidia has not released any information on competition for the 5970 currently. This isn't including any price raises because of supply/demand.

Not really the place for this discussion, but the latest data suggests that the 470=5870, and that the 480 is 25% faster. That would make the 5850s price irrelevant and put the 470 against the 5870.. in which case the 470 is significantly cheaper and 480 in a league of its own.

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...0-benches.html

We'll know for sure when the NDA officially drops.

[futan]

Not really the place for this discussion, but the latest data suggests that the 470=5870, and that the 480 is 25% faster. That would make the 5850s price irrelevant and put the 470 against the 5870.. in which case the 470 is significantly cheaper and 480 in a league of its own.

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...0-benches.html

We'll know for sure when the NDA officially drops.

Sorry for taking this off-topic. But if those numbers are legit, then I'm impressed. >_>

OT:

By twisting their words, supposedly theres a chance for new races, classes, and minigames.

We kind of knew there was going to be more classes. I mean I'm pretty sure they've talked about fishing in interviews but they haven't even announced a fishing class. But new races and mini-games could be great.

[Aodh]

Given that you still have to wear glasses, 3D as a technology is fucking stupid.

They're also building a glasses-less projection based 3D which projects the image at you and uses light convergence and wave cancelation to make a 3D image in space. But probably not for a few years they said.

[Croy]

They're also building a glasses-less projection based 3D which projects the image at you and uses light convergence and wave cancelation to make a 3D image in space. But probably not for a few years they said.

Exactly. I can understand the hate for needing to wear glasses, but 3D is becoming a huge market push by all hardware and software/entertainment companies. More content availible, the more likely we are going to seem revolutions for autostereoscopic, and than when that comes you will have a wealth of content or wish some of your older stuff had been converted early. More options is not a bad thing. I just wish FFXI could use the 3D vision tech but because the graphics are mostly generated off the CPU (emulation lol) the nvidia GPU can't alternate the frames

[Orden]

i agree, what happens when you have a bunch of people over ..... "yeah man bring your glasses or you and your girl are boned, mine are all spoken for!" <---LULz

3D Glasses will become implied costs, like "Bring money for your share of pizza or starve!" When coming together for group entertainment, being required to bring something to enhance the experience (be it food, accessories, or the entertainment itself) is not uncommon.

Hell, i've already seen thin, rimless, designer 3D glasses. I wanted them. They were sexy. I can't wait for that to be the norm. Caveat: I wear glasses already, so adjusting to wearing glasses is a non-issue for me.

[Spira]

i understand the push for 3D because of all the hyper realistic aspects of the graphics.. but sometimes being 3D isn't all that great.

With the current glasses medium its a hassles especially for people who don't wear glasses and because you have to wear glasses, it takes away that natural-feel of it for a lot of people already.

Also, i think this isn't such a good idea with games such as MMOs.. they're timesink games and 3D imagery is tiring to (hell, im certain it actually damages) the eyes and you can't keep looking at them for very long stretches compared to flat imagery.

[Foxer]

Eyedea-Seraph, where do you live that you're sig'ing 14D/1U connection? lol

Edit: NVM, I saw your sig. Is Canada's internet that slow?

[Eyedea-Seraph]

Eyedea-Seraph, where do you live that you're sig'ing 14D/1U connection? lol

Edit: NVM, I saw your sig. Is Canada's internet that slow?

I dunno is 14mb's/sec DL low? and 1mb/ UL low? lol post up your speedtest results, i know i pay for capped 14mb/sec DL soo i am getting what i paid for but when do i need to be going faster? its not that bad or so i thought lol!

anyway show me what its like in FLO-ridah! :D

well i checked Miami on Speedtest.net and you guys got some fast internetz!, hahaha lowest being 10mb/sec and highest was 21mb/sec but still 10-20 either will be fine for anything you do really unless you plan on DLing 100% of the time, but for vid games i never have a problem ^^b

[Elvis]

dont hurt me, but is the world seamless? from one area to the next, except for stuff like possible instances/etc.

[Eyedea-Seraph]

dont hurt me, but is the world seamless? from one area to the next, except for stuff like possible instances/etc.

yes