Botters Beware!

[Eanae]

I have to agree with Fottiti on this one as cool as arenz is i like KAces alot better because its user friendly and i don't have to type a god dam command for ever thing i do.

Kaces does how ever have a fail safe, the person w/ rights can request to have there username banned and thus If someone kicked from the LS tries to log on the bot to mess with times you could be in a shit load of trouble.

I have not seen it before but a friend of mine provided me with a screen shot :D

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...eshow27/MD.png

That wasn't implemented as a "fail-safe" it was so Kaces could invite people who setup the bot on disconnect and went to work.

[Fottiti]

I'm not a fan of the auto staggering, you can do it easily if your members aren't stupid. Kace's is more user friendly for the none technical people, and those who can't read

User friendly? Arenz is perfectly easy to use in terms of interface (except not being able to use the @ key) but why get a bot that will not do all the work for you when others out there will.

[Fottiti]

Wrong =/= Illegal, but that's besides the point.

Where are you getting your definition from?

Results from a few of the links on first page of a google search.

• contrary to conscience or morality or law; "it is wrong for the rich to take advantage of the poor"; "cheating is wrong"; "it is wrong to lie"

Not according to the laws of good morals, whether divine or human; not suitable to the highest and best end; not morally right; deviating from rectitude or duty; not just or equitable; not true; not legal; as, a wrong practice; wrong ideas; wrong inclinations and desires.

1. not in accordance with justice, law, morality, etc.; unlawful, immoral, or improper

A wrong or being wrong is a concept in law, ethics, and science. In a colloquial sense, wrongness usually refers to a state of incorrectness, inaccuracy, error or miscalculation in any number of contexts. More specifically, being "wrong" refers to a situation wherein an individual has made an error or misjudgment.

[Mafai]

Idk maybe its the last resort so people buy it?

It is selling so why add things.

Its a bonus since it was made for my linkshell and never planned on being sold until NASA was taken down.

[Tharen]

I have to agree with Fottiti on this one as cool as arenz is i like KAces alot better because its user friendly and i don't have to type a god dam command for ever thing i do.

Kaces does how ever have a fail safe, the person w/ rights can request to have there username banned and thus If someone kicked from the LS tries to log on the bot to mess with times you could be in a shit load of trouble.

I have not seen it before but a friend of mine provided me with a screen shot :D

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...eshow27/MD.png

You two think you're fooling everyone into thinking your not Drama and Unspeakable? I bet that's a SS Unspeakable took while he was in Volume.

[Yugl]

Where are you getting your definition from?

Results from a few of the links on first page of a google search.

Wrong is conceptual with respect to people. Legal is conceptual with respect to a doctrine.

Edit: To make this clear, if one were to assert that Wrong = Illegal, then one would insinuate that anything wrong is illegal and anything illegal is wrong. We may agree on the latter, but I doubt the validity of the former as I can find examples in which that is not true.

[Ancile]

You two think you're fooling everyone into thinking your not Drama and Unspeakable? I bet that's a SS Unspeakable took while he was in Volume.

why are you so worried about who I am?

[Tharen]

Nevermind, I was gonna say something else but he just proved who he is. Sorry for de-railing.

[Ancile]

Nevermind, I was gonna say something else but he just proved who he is. Sorry for de-railing.

you were refering to "umad?" and I so I assume you were pointing at us? I personally don't even know that user.

[Sev]

Hate to tell you but any bot creater can pos hack and or make you shout w/e they want. They wanted him banned the linkshell that is, same when lildrama logged onto k2 with his brothers account.

[Massimo]

To get the ball rolling, I think murder, stealing, rape and taking illegal drugs are all wrong. They are all illegal in every country I've ever visited and even though I don't have a moral/ethical issue with taking illegal drugs, I do understand that the law of the land I choose to live in says its WRONG.

For fucks sake. Are you really comparing rape, murder and stealing with botting? Really?
This same bullshit comes up every fucking time. Just because SE set some rules that they wanted people to follow, does not mean it's any of your fucking business if they do or not. And let's be honest, probably 70%+ of PC players break these rules by using at least Windower, and you're probably one of them too. Just because your line is drawn at botting, does not mean everyone else's is.

As it's been said so many, many times before, you can still claim without bots (I used to love competing for claims, but everyhing gets boring after a while), it's just harder and takes more attention. Botting is a convenience, it makes you able to afk and do other shit while waiting for that same mob you've killed 5235235 times.

If you don't want to bot - that's great, don't - but don't come and try to say that the way others have chosen is wrong, simply because it doesn't match up with your beliefs. No one is pointing fingers at you for not botting (aside from the obvious fucking idiots like dramafinder/unspeakable/whateverthefucktheirnamesare, who you shouldn't listen to regarding any matter of life FFXI anyway), because it really doesn't fucking matter in the end.

If you want to continue to QQ about life being unfair because others have taken a smarter/easier path than you, you have a long road ahead of you.


Also, why is Ancile/Umad? not banned yet? It's so fucking obvious who it is, and it's not like they're bringing anything but trash with them anyway.

[Pandum]

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[Fottiti]

Wrong is conceptual with respect to people. Legal is conceptual with respect to a doctrine.

Edit: To make this clear, if one were to assert that Wrong = Illegal, then one would insinuate that anything wrong is illegal and anything illegal is wrong. We may agree on the latter, but I doubt the validity of the former as I can find examples in which that is not true.

No it wouldn't insinuate that at all. It would mean everything that is illegal is wrong, and many things that are not illegal are also wrong.

You are picking and chosing a definition to suit the situation but the word "wrong" can cover a much wider meaning. If you want to pick another word with a more specific meaning then go for it, but we've already established we aren't talking about morals or ethics here and SE's 'doctrine' states specifically that botting is WRONG.

[Iremire]

I have to agree with Fottiti on this one as cool as arenz is i like KAces alot better because its user friendly and i don't have to type a god dam command for ever thing i do.

Kaces does how ever have a fail safe, the person w/ rights can request to have there username banned and thus If someone kicked from the LS tries to log on the bot to mess with times you could be in a shit load of trouble.

I have not seen it before but a friend of mine provided me with a screen shot :D

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/o...eshow27/MD.png

God good day.

[Fottiti]

For fucks sake. Are you really comparing rape, murder and stealing with botting? Really?
This same bullshit comes up every fucking time. Just because SE set some rules that they wanted people to follow, does not mean it's any of your fucking business if they do or not. And let's be honest, probably 70%+ of PC players break these rules by using at least Windower, and you're probably one of them too. Just because your line is drawn at botting, does not mean everyone else's is.

I was not comparing rape or murder to botting, I was merely giving examples of other things I consider wrong (NB: things that are against the rules/laws). You are right that probably 95% of the computer players are using windower which is WRONG. Its not because I say or because you do but because SE does and they make the rules.

As it's been said so many, many times before, you can still claim without bots (I used to love competing for claims, but everyhing gets boring after a while), it's just harder and takes more attention. Botting is a convenience, it makes you able to afk and do other shit while waiting for that same mob you've killed 5235235 times.

If you don't want to bot - that's great, don't - but don't come and try to say that the way others have chosen is wrong, simply because it doesn't match up with your beliefs. No one is pointing fingers at you for not botting (aside from the obvious fucking idiots like dramafinder/unspeakable/whateverthefucktheirnamesare, who you shouldn't listen to regarding any matter of life FFXI anyway), because it really doesn't fucking matter in the end.

If you want to continue to QQ about life being unfair because others have taken a smarter/easier path than you, you have a long road ahead of you.

Jesusfuck you are stupid, I did bot at every camp I attended for almost 3 years. I have used FFXIAPP, KA, Arenz, XIP at different periods through that time and have been in linkshells that have a good claim rate. I am in no way QQing about bots ruining the game.

The debate had NOTHING to do with any of that, it was to do with what is considered wrong and people picking and chosing its definition to suit them when it encompases laws/rules aswell as everything else.

[Tanthalass]

You two think you're fooling everyone into thinking your not Drama and Unspeakable? I bet that's a SS Unspeakable took while he was in Volume.

Confirmed.

Athie was one of his accounts.

[Yugl]

No it wouldn't insinuate that at all. It would mean everything that is illegal is wrong, and many things that are not illegal are also wrong.

You are picking and chosing a definition to suit the situation but the word "wrong" can cover a much wider meaning. If you want to pick another word with a more specific meaning then go for it, but we've already established we aren't talking about morals or ethics here and SE's 'doctrine' states specifically that botting is WRONG.

If one is a broader term, then they are not equal.

[Fottiti]

If one is a broader term, then they are not equal.

Ok fine, they are not equal, blame my ambiguous phrasing in previous posts for that if you like. If you do concede they are not equal and that illegal things are wrong then why are you even arguing?

[Yugl]

Ok fine, they are not equal, blame my ambiguous phrasing in previous posts for that if you like. If you do concede they are not equal and that illegal things are wrong then why are you even arguing?

Wrong =/= Illegal, but that's besides the point.

Fixing a premise of your argument, not arguing against it.

[Massimo]

I was not comparing rape or murder to botting, I was merely giving examples of other things I consider wrong

Fucking lol.

Jesusfuck you are stupid, I did bot at every camp I attended for almost 3 years. I have used FFXIAPP, KA, Arenz, XIP at different periods through that time and have been in linkshells that have a good claim rate. I am in no way QQing about bots ruining the game.

The debate had NOTHING to do with any of that, it was to do with what is considered wrong and people picking and chosing its definition to suit them when it encompases laws/rules aswell as everything else.

Only the first part was directed at you. There's been too much QQing and awful points in this thread for me to quote all of it (Draylo and whoeverthefuck it is). I guess I should have made that clear.


And I see at least Ancile was banned now. Thank fuck. One to go.