Botters Beware!

[shepardG]

There's been too much QQing and awful points in this thread for me to quote all of it

He's not talking about you mark wahlberg, and yes I thought the funky bunch were ahead of their time. A come back tour? Did lethal weapon 3 cry out for there to be a lethal weapon 4!!???!!! I rest my case.

*tabs over to Tickemaster.com*

[thetruepandagod]

i don't know whats going on in this thread anymore.

[vagus]

i don't know whats going on in this thread anymore.

Botters in the closet finally coming out. Just like Ricky Martin. We all knew the truth, just not a big shocker.

[Yugl]

Botters in the closet finally coming out. Just like Ricky Martin. We all knew the truth, just not a big shocker.

Are they also livin' la FFXI loca?

[alt]

I feel like any thread even remotely about botting always ends up going the same way.

[Silenka]

I feel like any thread even remotely about botting always ends up going the same way.

Easy to figure out why, botting is blatantly cheating and against the ToS, there are people who hate it and speak out against it and there are people who love it and think it's stupid not to do it and they have a mudslinging contest and then it generally degrades into whose linkshell has the best bots and who can claim the most mobs.

It's a natural progression.

[Pearlsea]

Botting is the most fair way of doing kings without instancing the zone. SE intended the gear to be rare, just like they did not want everyone to have a relic.

There is zero skill to the current claim system because of the anti bot randomize claim time. I would hate to have to be glued to my keyboard every for the exact same thing the bot does, just because its morally right. Kings are an imperfect system, you can't expect players to simply accept it.

[umad?]

For fucks sake. Are you really comparing rape, murder and stealing with botting? Really?
This same bullshit comes up every fucking time. Just because SE set some rules that they wanted people to follow, does not mean it's any of your fucking business if they do or not. And let's be honest, probably 70%+ of PC players break these rules by using at least Windower, and you're probably one of them too. Just because your line is drawn at botting, does not mean everyone else's is.

As it's been said so many, many times before, you can still claim without bots (I used to love competing for claims, but everyhing gets boring after a while), it's just harder and takes more attention. Botting is a convenience, it makes you able to afk and do other shit while waiting for that same mob you've killed 5235235 times.

If you don't want to bot - that's great, don't - but don't come and try to say that the way others have chosen is wrong, simply because it doesn't match up with your beliefs. No one is pointing fingers at you for not botting (aside from the obvious fucking idiots like dramafinder/unspeakable/whateverthefucktheirnamesare, who you shouldn't listen to regarding any matter of life FFXI anyway), because it really doesn't fucking matter in the end.

If you want to continue to QQ about life being unfair because others have taken a smarter/easier path than you, you have a long road ahead of you.


Also, why is Ancile/Umad? not banned yet? It's so fucking obvious who it is, and it's not like they're bringing anything but trash with them anyway.

Just because i know someone does not mean i am that person, QFT i'm not perma'd because i'm not him.

On topic: I started the game around a few months after ToAU release, Why was Mr.Argus bot so popular?

[Yugl]

Botting is the most fair way of doing kings without instancing the zone. SE intended the gear to be rare, just like they did not want everyone to have a relic.

There is zero skill to the current claim system because of the anti bot randomize claim time. I would hate to have to be glued to my keyboard every for the exact same thing the bot does, just because its morally right. Kings are an imperfect system, you can't expect players to simply accept it.

So lets say I want to antagonize this person.

1. Fair? Subjective meaning.
2. If Fair = Equal claim chances ceteris paribus bar botting, then no.
3. The "SE intended" argument. You must be a psychic pokemon.
4. Windows make "glued to your keyboard" the nightmare, not the reality.
5. Lots of things are arguably imperfect systems. Does everything imperfect imply a necessity to disobey the rules? I won't say it doesn't, but I would like to hear your defense of your statement.

[Silenka]

So lets say I want to antagonize this person.

1. Fair? Subjective meaning.
2. If Fair = Equal claim chances ceteris paribus bar botting, then no.
3. The "SE intended" argument. You must be a psychic pokemon.
4. Windows make "glued to your keyboard" the nightmare, not the reality.
5. Lots of things are arguably imperfect systems. Does everything imperfect imply a necessity to disobey the rules? I won't say it doesn't, but I would like to hear your defense of your statement.

I lol'd.

Was going to say the same exact things about it.

[Oreth]

It was mentioned back there that its next to impossible for SE to detect if someone is botting for a claim but couldnt they just make a fake pop occur into memory or something so that only the botters would cast? Or is it all visually based for bots?

[Gra]

I love these arguements. They make my day. All the "u mad" comments are to be expected and I'm sure there's going to be more of them before SE finally shuts down the servers.

Here's how I see it.

I disagree with botting. Fullstop. Totally disagree. However - when the vast majority of other players at HNM camps are doing it you have to put aside your morals or go to the very back of the queue of people wanting that particular piece of equipment.

Botting is a commonly accepted way (by the majority of the playerbase in HNMLS) to claim these days and people who say otherwise lead a very sheltered and innocent life.

When I started camping HNM's I thought no-one botted. Seriously. I was in a HNMLS that didn't bot and I believed that other people were just a lot faster than me at claiming. By the time I mashed my macro it was too late, the mob was still a second or two from popping on my screen and was already claimed. Once in about 30-40 attempts we'd claim a HNM but the majority of the time we didn't. I think it was an Adamantoise, which is debatably not much of a HNM but we got it anyway.

At DA and BD we might as well not have turned up.

Pissed me off a lot to be honest. I had a few "u mad" moments (in DA particularly) complaining that people shouldn't be allowed to bot to anyone who'd listen. I even GM'd a couple of people I suspected were doing it. The GM's asked for proof and I didn't have anything other than "They claimed it before it even popped on my screen!" which really doesn't cut it for a GM....obviously nothing was ever done!

That first HNMLS broke up after a few months and I applied to one of the bigger HNMLS's.

When I was accepted it became pretty obvious that there was a bot being used and my eyes were opened. Everyone was using it. Everyone in the LS I was in and everyone in the other LS's competing against us. It became so obvious I felt like I was having a 'Matrix moment' where all of a sudden my eyes were opened and the truth was right there for me to see. I was so biased about not using it that I didn't realise how widespread it actually was.

All those people who were casting instantaniously at HNM camps weren't faster than me. The processors in their PC's were faster than me. That's what it came down to.

Why do I think people bot? Because every other halfway serious HNMLS does. That's what I think it comes down to. It was always going to go that way the day the first bot was released. To get a 'level playing field' everyone did the same thing.

Why would you spend 3 hours of your life in DA/VoS/BD knowing that your claim rate would be total crap if you didn't bot against the other LS's that did? I very much doubt anyone with half a brain would do it.

HNMLS's that don't claim don't stick together. They split and the members end up in established botting shells because they want the gear.

All the major endgame LS's bot. Fact. Get over it already. It doesn't matter which bot they use, the fact is they use one or another. Any established HNMLS leader that says otherwise is talking out of their ass.

The arguement that there's some degree of skill (or lack of it) involved is laughable at best. The LS's that bot only bot for the claim. The skill comes in the killing of the mob, not the claiming.

I still think it's wrong but it's just how it is and I accepted that a long time ago.

[Naf]

Wizbot Packet bot is fail!
Shouldnt even be called a packet bot.

Stop trying to hide the fact that you dont know what your doing by saying that SE will attack you if you send packets. thats bull shit.

Both your bots suck, its ashame all my customers got sent over to your site.


To BG Mods:
Dont delete my thread, im just educating the public!

Recieved this message yesturday:

WizButt: ello maury hows it goin
WizButt: Well anyways when you get the message, I'm wizbit the dev of wizbot, I wanted to make a business proposition for you regarding nasa, if you aren't interested fair enough thats np but thought I'd ask, I basically wanted either to buy the source from you, or bring you into my business plan where I take all of the risks, I've had a C&D from SE but I'm in Sweden so they have no duristriction here
WizButt: that was around christmas time, let me know if you are interested in doing some kind of business regarding this, if not then fair play but I know you liek money as do I, and I think we can make alot of it, laters
WizButt: also note, no one need know as I understand you cannot be public about your work regarding FFXI
iifuzzy: >.>


blah blah blah.... stuff inbetween


iifuzzy: why do u need my help
iifuzzy: dont u have one alreeady
WizButt: We can keep your name out of it and change some other stuff around it
WizButt: Because it's not doing so good
WizButt: im not good at this packet stuff
WizButt: everyone loved nasa
WizButt: i think its got potential to make money still
iifuzzy: cuz it does things other packet bots dont
WizButt: and I like money
WizButt: exactly


The rest is useless info...

I dont play anymore and dont have anything to sell u so F off

PS, Josh says hi and Arenz ftw

You're a jealous piece of shit, because you had no balls to stand up to SE you robbed everyone of their money, not even a refund what a fucking worm you are, and yeah your old customers got redirected to me guess what, I still get minimum 20+ customers per day, and the packet bot is still selling despite the shit you posted, how do you like them apples?

P.S. Special delivery incoming.

[Kuwait-cafe]

P.S. Special delivery incoming.

Oh I'm SOOOO EXCITED!!!!

[Pandum]

f5

[Draylo]

Fucking lol.



Only the first part was directed at you. There's been too much QQing and awful points in this thread for me to quote all of it (Draylo and whoeverthefuck it is). I guess I should have made that clear.


And I see at least Ancile was banned now. Thank fuck. One to go.

What are you talking about?

[BerenTebogo]

You're a jealous piece of shit, because you had no balls to stand up to SE you robbed everyone of their money, not even a refund what a fucking worm you are, and yeah your old customers got redirected to me guess what, I still get minimum 20+ customers per day, and the packet bot is still selling despite the shit you posted, how do you like them apples?

P.S. Special delivery incoming.

http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jo...0.432x410.jpeg

[iceynutz69]

This thread is suppose to be about w1z's bot not a general discussion on the moral/ethical use of bots in the game. Get back on topic or this thread will fail, kthxbye.

[Draylo]

I think we are in need of a robocop. Put the bot down and nobody will get hurt.

[Draylo]

If you don't want to bot - that's great, don't - but don't come and try to say that the way others have chosen is wrong, simply because it doesn't match up with your beliefs. No one is pointing fingers at you for not botting (aside from the obvious fucking idiots like dramafinder/unspeakable/whateverthefucktheirnamesare, who you shouldn't listen to regarding any matter of life FFXI anyway), because it really doesn't fucking matter in the end.

It's wrong because your cheating and cockblocking others who don't pay money outside the required fee for this game...