Not the typical {Black Belt} {Help me out!} situation:

[Shinryuu]

I know if I lost my blackbelt and was unable to get another one, my mnk would never see the light of day again.

Salvage.

Imperial ring.

[Kyte]

They should probably go ahead and make all the avatar items re-obtainable as well.

[Jb1210a]

Sent my reply as well, this story reminds me of a saying...

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

I can see my Girlfriend doing the same thing if we ever parted on bad terms as well.

[aduidarnenye]

Good luck dude. Sent the suggestion as well.

[Zansho]

It's one of the reasons why I won't ever leave my toon logged in overnight. The last thing I need is for someone to walk by my computer, and just drop my shit.

For what it's worth Chaz, I sent in the email.

I know how hard it is to get that belt - I got mine after 3 years of trying to get the Egg.

[Kipling]

Let's prove it: (I hated hated hated discrete math, so this probably isn't "technically 100% correct", but still)

P=He has the title
Q=He has the item

The game holds that when you obtain the title, you also obtain the item. Therefore, we can establish that P=>Q.

We can also say that Q=>P, because if you have the item, you also have the title. Therefore, if P is true, Q must also be true, or P=Q.

Now, a simple investigation will show that the item is not in his inventory, and that he indeed has the title.

To say that he never owned the item would be a clear contradiction. Therefore, based on how this game works (you can't trade rare/ex items) the only possibility is that the item was dropped.

Q.E.D.

The point, she has been missed completely.

Happened years ago, they can't look at a chatlog of it happening. That is how they operate. They need to see it to do anything.

Do you understand?

[Snick]

The point, she has been missed completely.

Happened years ago, they can't look at a chatlog of it happening. That is how they operate. They need to see it to do anything.

Do you understand?

This.

It sucks, but bugging GMs isn't gonna do anything, they can't change the policy for it. I find it a little ridiculous you would bother bugging GMs over 4 years after the first one said no. Their hands are tied, like it or not.

E-mailing and calling would be only options, but I doubt SE will change their policy. For what it's worth, I sent one in too.

[jaryk]

I'm a douche because someone is QQ'ing over something that happened four years ago? Yeah, okay.

Actually we don't know why you're such a douche, we'd all like to know, when you figure it out will you tell us? In the meantime how about you shut your goddam mouth.

[Cairthenn]

I'm a douche because someone is QQ'ing over something that happened four years ago? Yeah, okay.

Yes you are. Shut the fuck up, asshole.

[Seraph]

Password protect your shit. Don't give the passwords to your woman. Obvious solution is to start working on a LS to defeat AV...

[Itege]

Women are the root of all evil. Will send them an email.

[Ramses]

I hope this somehow works out for you because as upset as you are now, it's going to be so much worse when cap goes up and they add a red belt quest in which you must trade in your black belt to obtain.

[Xajii]

Actually we don't know why you're such a douche, we'd all like to know, when you figure it out will you tell us? In the meantime how about you shut your goddam mouth.

Holy lol, yes.

Sent a message. Best of luck.

I will say this though. Many have reported on these forums that GMs can do things that they claim are outside their parameters. Someone mentioned how their Khim mule got jailed and when the GM said he was gonna send it back to home point they just bitched the GM out til he put it back where he was. Point being it's not impossible that if you find the right GM you can maybe get a little further atleast than this clown.

[Yugl]

Let's prove it: (I hated hated hated discrete math, so this probably isn't "technically 100% correct", but still)

P=He has the title
Q=He has the item

The game holds that when you obtain the title, you also obtain the item. Therefore, we can establish that P=>Q.

We can also say that Q=>P, because if you have the item, you also have the title. Therefore, if P is true, Q must also be true, or P=Q.

Now, a simple investigation will show that the item is not in his inventory, and that he indeed has the title.

To say that he never owned the item would be a clear contradiction. Therefore, based on how this game works (you can't trade rare/ex items) the only possibility is that the item was dropped.

Q.E.D.

I'm not sure if Logic is the same as Decrete Math, but your argument is correct if you change "has the item" to "obtained the item" to convey that he no longer has it.

However, logical or not, the problem is that the GM wants empirical rather than deductive (inductive?) evidence.

Actually we don't know why you're such a douche, we'd all like to know, when you figure it out will you tell us? In the meantime how about you shut your goddam mouth.

Nice.

[Avarice]

they just bitched the GM out til he put it back where he was.

Ah, I remember that screenshot. Was pretty damn funny, I admit.

But I do agree, their terms and conditions for an "investigation" are ridiculously outdated. But it won't change, and we can only hope (lol) that this system doesn't carry over to FFXIV for those planning to play it.

[Sho]

This is advanced? But seriously, what the shit is this shit? Ponitless thread is pointless. SE is not changing shit because you're QQ'ing about something four years later.

Hey.

STFU.

Thanks.

Chaz, you should speak to a GM, and specifically request an appeal to a higher SGM asap. Or maybe even the LGM. Hell just spam them with GM calls to get someone to wake up.

[cassiraa]

yea, SGM or LGM are the only people who would be able to do something about it. Think of it like calling your cable company. The min.wage tech on the other end of the phone is gonna tell you to reboot your router 16 times in a row. A supervisor or higher level tech might actually look into it.

[Miraun]

Let's prove it: (I hated hated hated discrete math, so this probably isn't "technically 100% correct", but still)

P=He has the title
Q=He has the item

The game holds that when you obtain the title, you also obtain the item. Therefore, we can establish that P=>Q.

We can also say that Q=>P, because if you have the item, you also have the title. Therefore, if P is true, Q must also be true, or P=Q.

Now, a simple investigation will show that the item is not in his inventory, and that he indeed has the title.

To say that he never owned the item would be a clear contradiction. Therefore, based on how this game works (you can't trade rare/ex items) the only possibility is that the item was dropped.

Q.E.D.

Would it be possible to complete the quest with full inventory space, get the title, but not get the item?

Other than that, Completely agree.

As silly as it may sound, and I'm sure you have tried it, have you tried talking with the BB NPC? >.>

Best of luck Chaz, you definitely deserve it back with 0 work after the bullshit they've put you through for so long.

[SnickySnacks]

I can't help but point out that:

P=He has the title
Q=He has the item

The game holds that when you obtain the title, you also obtain the item. Therefore, we can establish that P=>Q.

We can also say that Q=>P, because if you have the item, you also have the title. Therefore, if P is true, Q must also be true, or P=Q.

Isn't true as you obviously do have the title, but don't have the item. QED that

However, I'm in support of this. It might require (*gasp*) a little work on SEs side, but there's no reason they can't "fix" certain quests to re-hand out these items for a price ("You lostaru your black belt? I suppose I could get you another one but it won't be cheap!" Hand over 1,000,000g?)

At the very least in this situation there's no financial or game benefit to be had by tossing your BB since you can't sell it or anything. Even reflagging the quest would be preferable to never having it again...

And the point about the ToaU rings is a good one. With the type of game ffxi is, there's really no reason any decision or item loss needs to be permanent. There really should be a way to get back anything given some additional time/a lengthy wait/a high price.

[Vincento]

As silly as it may sound, and I'm sure you have tried it, have you tried talking with the BB NPC? >.>

you know you're fucked when you've got a better chance changing an npc's mind.

Sent in an email, good luck.