Fixing SMN for PT...a pipe dream?

[Silenka]

This looks like an Alla thread.

The constant complaining about SMN being shit for parties has never helped it ever, nor will it now. The simple fact is that SMN is shit for parties compared to other jobs, do your best to get one, if you can't, it's not surprising, just fall back on campaign or AB. I remedied the not finding a party problem by making my own parties or partying with friends (usually both) so I leveled quickly without seeking too much. That's likely what I will have to do when the level cap rises as well, it's just going to be levels 10-75 all over again. Meh.

[konoko]

They will make smn better for exp parties when blm is better for exp parties.

So Never.

Get used to it and level in campaign, solo, or smn burns, at least you get more update love than blm does.

[Eldelphia]

SMN isn't used as a subjob anymore is it? I love my SMN, but I just accept that I use it in certain ways, for certain things and at certain events and live with it but I could merit on it, I'd just rather merit on COR, BRD or WHM.

[zanfire]

I don't think AMII is comparable to lvl70 pacts. It's like apples and oranges because it's a different damage type and calculated completely differently. If you're going to compare AMII to anything smn has, it should be merit pacts, which generally go 1000-1200. But like previous poster said, if i was going for numbers i would have just gone pup anyway. lol.



I could care less about smn being party friendly, because there are several jobs now that are really not. Smn used to be fine in a party back when blms were golden in parties, but times have changed. Blms do manaburns for their exp, and yes i'm going to say it, summoners can do summoner burns. SE doesn't even care how people exp anymore as long as every job has a viable way to get exp, and that's taken care of. What they are focusing on now is increasing the utility of all jobs in end game so that they can introduce more strategy heavy battles.


From the descriptions you gave of your 3 jobs, if you feel smn is a last resort mage used for subjob it's one of three things;

1. You're not playing it well
2. Playing with people who don't know anything about the job to begin with
3. Have an LS leader who just hates summoner for discrimination's sake. (experienced this)




The cost usually with favor is 1 or 0. If it's not then the summoner is not using a perpetuation build. Gear acquisition issue.

im playing it just fine, but in PTs you really do nothing more then be a /whm and occasionally toss out a buffer, not much to it.

Its not endgame im worried about, i actually get some decent use from it there, its just knowing we have 24 LONG lvls coming up i thought id make the post about PTs specifically.

As for prep cost i dont have some of the higher up nice stuff like mythic weapon/the staff off bahumut/nash gauges. so for me it would still cost about 3-4 MP per tick for normal avatars (except garuda, i have the head from ZNMs) and thats with astral favor on and weakening the pet.

what i would like to see is for SE to make up their minds about what role SMN is meant to be. Disregarding subs, SMN can't mainly heal because of the timer on BPs. They cant really be DD's because of MP being drained to quickly and they aren't much of a support job with how poorly the astral favor ability turned out.

Honestly if they only made astral favor more effective (it not reseting when you BP, better buffs for PTs on some avatars) it would actually be a great all around PT job. You could keep out a pet and use them as a DD/buffer while in the back you tossed out backup heals.

The whole point of the thread was to see what people think SE could to define this spicific job in PTs.

[zanfire]

They will make smn better for exp parties when blm is better for exp parties.

So Never.

Get used to it and level in campaign, solo, or smn burns, at least you get more update love than blm does.

BLMs will be great for PTs when SE stops giving us easly TP burning mobs (which could actually happen depending on how they want us to lvl from 75-99) but im still guessing people will want to TP burn it anyway.

One of the things that made FFXI diffrent in the first place was SCs and MBs system, SE just found a way to kill that off lol.

[Tomiko]

This looks like an Alla thread.

The constant complaining about SMN being shit for parties has never helped it ever, nor will it now. The simple fact is that SMN is shit for parties compared to other jobs, do your best to get one, if you can't, it's not surprising, just fall back on campaign or AB. I remedied the not finding a party problem by making my own parties or partying with friends (usually both) so I leveled quickly without seeking too much. That's likely what I will have to do when the level cap rises as well, it's just going to be levels 10-75 all over again. Meh.

QFT, though I was gonna say KI instead of Alla. But I guess he has to bitch about something since he can't bitch about not getting new avatars now.

I've been in parties with Summoners who were able to help Cure and still throw out pacts. If you're unable to do that, then either you suck or your party sucks.

Summoner is fine as it is. Be glad you have separate pact timers now so you actually can Buff & still DD. And quit bitching about being invited to parties only to cure when you have access to arguably the best exp camp/party around, whether you personally are able to do it or not. You don't hear other jobs bitching about not being able to Astral Burn.

Oh, and there's another alternate to Astral Burning and main healing, it's called Bombs.

[Ashmada]

REDICULOUS MP costs for BPs

Urge to kill rising...

BLMs will be great for PTs when SE stops giving us easly TP burning mobs (which could actually happen depending on how they want us to lvl from 75-99) but im still guessing people will want to TP burn it anyway.

One of the things that made FFXI diffrent in the first place was SCs and MBs system, SE just found a way to kill that off lol.

Barely refrained urge to kill replaced by unrefrained urge to facepalm.

[Deluge]

BLMs will be great for PTs when SE stops giving us easly TP burning mobs (which could actually happen depending on how they want us to lvl from 75-99) but im still guessing people will want to TP burn it anyway.

One of the things that made FFXI diffrent in the first place was SCs and MBs system, SE just found a way to kill that off lol.

Unless all they add is slimes and adamantoises you aren't going to see blms getting party invites any time soon.

[Acturus]

Yes, this is a Pipe dream.

Also, leave 2007, come to 2010. It's cooler here.

[zanfire]

might as well lock/ delete the thread lol.

the internet....the world where a$$hats troll for the sake of trolling XD

[Beave]

it would be nice to PT and level slightly quicker.

Unless people suck at using korroloka tunnel on your server, the fastest way to exp is smn burn...

[Pharaun]

SAM needs more love than SMN, sorry.

FTFY...Until I can dual wield Amano's augmented with a 200% TP bonus and they occasionally attack 2-3 times while maintaining all of the 2 handed buffs I will not be happy.

Spoiler: show

I kid, BST really needs some love. I can't think of that last time I saw a BST actaully get used for anything endgame.

[zanfire]

Unless people suck at using korroloka tunnel on your server, the fastest way to exp is smn burn...

its not done much on my server and people tend to shame you for doing it. Im already 75, im just not sure how everything will play out for 76-99. might not be bombs to solo and such. TBH i hope BLM dont get burned, they need just as much of a fixing for PT use. I have a funny feeling Meteor wont be a reason to invite them. btw what happened to those "group abilitys" they were supposed to get way back when so they would get more pt love?