Paragon downs Heroic LK 25

[D44kpunk]

Isn't that a screenshot taken at the beginning of the LK fight? So all that picture proves if you killed Sindragosa?

why are you making fun of him when you haven't killed sindragosa?

[Eaglestrike]

Where in that line am I making fun of him?

And my paladin actually isn't my main anymore.

[Tricen]

Your mom is my main.


























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[Falaras]

It's not my own math, it's pretty much fight mechanics work AGAINST fire. Again, people who have theorycrafting tools are not always right. Just because the model predicts something for xyz fight, doesn't mean it's going to work that way.

Fire relies on beating RNG, which makes it unreliable. It's also suffering from numerous bugs like ignite damage being resisted/munched. You can have 60%+ crit and have such a dry streak that you don't get any pyros off for the 2pc t10 bonus, whereas with arcane, the bonus is up 90% of the time.

You also have to deal with living bomb chewing up your HS procs at the wrong times, and the longer cast time of fireball vs arcane blast.

It's like the difference between using icewalker and tuskarr's vitality. Most people go icewalker is better because it's going to yield more DPS total in the simulator. However, on movement heavy fights, tuskarr's is superior.

If every fight was patch, fire would probably win barring RNG. Otherwise, it's a more suitable and sensible choice to go arcane because it's reliable, and as fights get downed faster each progressive week, arcane becomes even more reliable with it's CD's and the fact that they're going to be up for a greater portion of the fight each time.

It's pretty much reliability vs RNG. Most mages/raiders are going to pick reliable.

Reliability is great and all, but why not go Frost is you want to be reliable? A mage is there to do damage and Fire does the most according to the math, ideally we would dual spec Arcane for half of ICC, and Fireball for the other half, but hardly anyone does that. Your statement that "Arcane is 5% behind Fireball" is blatantly false, if you would have said "I like arcane because of how it plays" you would have been right.
And speaking of procs, I'd say Arcane is more proc dependent then Fire, Hot Streak is cool and all but its up alot with the amount of Crit fire mages are sitting at now, while on the other hand Mbar can be much more random and make you bleed DPS and mana after having a 4 stack AB. Fight mechanics don't only work against fire, many fights you will either have to lose your AB stack, or continue refreshing it losing DPS and mana to wait for an add to come out. How about the "bug" where AB is a debuff and if you need to IB at any time during the fight you will lose a full stack, thats working against the spec. Ignite munching is such a small DPS loss you don't even need to stagger HS procs anymore.

Sorry, just because you like Arcane doesn't mean you can run around saying its better then Fire.

[[Cookies]]

Isn't that a screenshot taken at the beginning of the LK fight? So all that picture proves if you killed Sindragosa?

If I posted a pic during the fight with names blocked out you'd say it wasn't my screenshot.

If I posted an armory link, you'd say it wasn't my character.

If I posted a video with names turned off, you'd say it wasn't my video.

As i've said, I don't have anything to prove. Now can we get this thread back on topic?

For mage specs Arcane is still higher in Rawr for me. Fire is definitely very viable now though, esp. if you need AOE.

[Korietsu]

Sorry, just because you like Arcane doesn't mean you can run around saying its better then Fire.

And because you blindly follow the theorycraft/simulator doesn't mean you can say fire is better than arcane. Just because you've lost perspective on what happens on those fights, and how the class plays, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Even the best DPS mages in the world, playing at 10MS have been completely wrecked on RNG.

Arcane rewards smart play, fire rewards RNG and gear.

[erish]

And because you blindly follow the theorycraft/simulator doesn't mean you can say fire is better than arcane. Just because you've lost perspective on what happens on those fights, and how the class plays, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Even the best DPS mages in the world, playing at 10MS have been completely wrecked on RNG.

Arcane rewards smart play, fire rewards RNG and gear.

Arcane doesnt reward smart play, shit is situational. Fire will always be ahead on fights with large amounts of adds while arcane is ahead on single dps. As for the tuskars vitailty i never understood mages who use that, we are given the tools to escape out of shit quickly or move fast if we need to through spells/racials if your unable to move fast enough thats not a class problem but a player issuse.

[Korietsu]

There are some encounters where the use of blink isn't optimal.

[Falaras]

Arcane rewards smart play? Its not even hard to keep your mana up like it used to be. The rotations are simple and the "play" is easy. Fire on the other hand is much more difficult, timing Pyros around PTL while not wasting HS procs is an example. Fireball is no longer a spec that relies on RNG like it used to be so now your just trying to spout false information about the spec.

[Korietsu]

Arcane rewards smart play? Its not even hard to keep your mana up like it used to be. The rotations are simple and the "play" is easy. Fire on the other hand is much more difficult, timing Pyros around PTL while not wasting HS procs is an example. Fireball is no longer a spec that relies on RNG like it used to be so now your just trying to spout false information about the spec.

I've played a mage since vanilla. I know how the class works thanks.

[Falaras]

I've played a mage since vanilla. I know how the class works thanks.

Congratulations.

[Ohaigaiz]

i kind of wish aurik was still a mod so he could ban cookies?

'i wish to remain anonymous on a website where absolutely no one will give a shit about my character's name/server/guild and just want to know that i'm not lying about what i say'.

yep, pretty much. press y in game, go to the frozen throne, show everyone the date it was killed. you said your guild was one of the first? block out the name then. you say we won't believe you? type hi bg in your chat. it is entirely not hard at all to backup your statements. i don't understand why you think not being anonymous means anything to us? no one here gives 2 shits about your character or guild. even if they did, what would happen? the most they could do is make a character on your server and do what? some level one alt whispers your gm and your gm does what? laugh?

really your whole 'i'd like to remain anonymous' bit is getting old. there is absolutely no reason to treat this like ffxi and it just makes you look more and more like a liar.

[sb]

i kind of wish aurik was still a mod so he could ban cookies?

'i wish to remain anonymous on a website where absolutely no one will give a shit about my character's name/server/guild and just want to know that i'm not lying about what i say'.

yep, pretty much. press y in game, go to the frozen throne, show everyone the date it was killed. you said your guild was one of the first? block out the name then. you say we won't believe you? type hi bg in your chat. it is entirely not hard at all to backup your statements. i don't understand why you think not being anonymous means anything to us? no one here gives 2 shits about your character or guild. even if they did, what would happen? the most they could do is make a character on your server and do what? some level one alt whispers your gm and your gm does what? laugh?

really your whole 'i'd like to remain anonymous' bit is getting old. there is absolutely no reason to treat this like ffxi and it just makes you look more and more like a liar.

I don't know how much I can respect this statement without massive boobs in your avatar. BRING THEM BACK!

[Ohaigaiz]

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8646/caerfaec.jpg

so yeah everyone's assumptions are indeed true, he was lying, even though everyone probably already knew that considering why wouldn't he want to mash aurik's face in the fact that he was wrong? especially after cookies was all whiney about him being demodded.

some people...

[[Cookies]]

I'm glad you guys care so much.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3...2910130518.jpg

In before: private server, fake and he's not resto in this shot so he can't comment on Infest!

If you don't want to believe it, that's your perogative, there isn't anything I can do to change your mind. And yes, anonymous is better considering how much time you have to spend posting about how I am retarded, wrong, a liar, etc. I'd rather avoid an Elphaba wannabe posting screenshots of my posts and or alerting guild members or officers (like the PM I sent you earlier?). I like being able to bitch about my guild (as i've done in the past) without consequence.

Apologies for the derail but I guess it is slightly relevant (validating my comment on Infest and Paragon's class choices, or not? lol).

P.S. I'm not whiny about Aurik's demotion, actually, quite the opposite.

[Ohaigaiz]

so you've proved your guild has killed lich king on 10 man? on malganis, as arvin has put it, kingslayer = jenkins. 10 man is a joke compared to 25.

the point aurik was making is that you said your guild was the 9-10th or whatever guild to down lich king on 10 man. all we wanted to see was your achievement showing when you actually downed him, with a 'hi bg' thing in the chat bar. it is entirely not difficult.

your screenshot still proves nothing except you've done what pugs can do.

[[Cookies]]

I didn't say 9-10th guild to down the Lich King at all. I said we were ranked in the top 10 for 10 man strict rankings. It's actually EU rankings I believe, not worldwide but the point I was trying to make was that i've had plenty of experience with 10m Lich King to know which healing classes are best.

Anyways, I haven't done Lich King 25 (or heroic for that matter) I am just relaying what Paragon themselves said about Restoration Druids and Infest. It may not be true but you'll have to argue with them if you disagree with them.

A screenshot of when I killed the Lich King is irrelevant, I could have killed him yesterday, it's the fact that I have actually killed him that matters for this discussion. Sure, pugs can down the Lich King, that's fine, I've said killing 10m Lich King is nothing to boast about as it's been done plenty but that's still not relevant when we come to talking about which healers are more effective.

[Rokku]

I'm pretty sure what they're getting at is as simple as "If you haven't actually fought Lich King 25M Heroic, you don't have room to talk about it/how anything works in the fight". Which frankly, given the circumstances, you don't.

[Ohaigaiz]

i don't know if anyone's posted but paragon is merging with premonition - best alliance guild in the world, and are being sponsored by axe.

this shit just got real

[[Cookies]]

I'm pretty sure what they're getting at is as simple as "If you haven't actually fought Lich King 25M Heroic, you don't have room to talk about it/how anything works in the fight". Which frankly, given the circumstances, you don't.

Well unless I can't read properly, the last few posts were concerning 10m Lich King. Mainly the speculation that I hadn't even killed the Lich King on normal mode so I had no right to contribute to the discussion.

Still, what was said prior to the derail was directed at Plow, I was merely relaying what Paragon themselves have detailed about why they didn't feel Restoration Druids were adequate and why they chose a Restoration Shaman over one.

I should have quoted Paragon directly to avoid the confusion.

i don't know if anyone's posted but paragon is merging with premonition - best alliance guild in the world, and are being sponsored by axe.

this shit just got real

It's an April's fools. It's the first in Finland already.

Quoting Boub from MMO-Champ here.

Quote from: noogie on March 31, 2010, 10:08:10 pm
Isn't tomorrow...

In Finland, it is.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/p...87/#msg2414287