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  1. #4001
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallyn View Post
    lots of changes in patch preview... i hope the nerf/buff to ranged AD carry is significant enough to see the other carries being used, but its probably a massive nerf to graves/cait/kog, and a real small buff to trist/mf/corki.
    Definitely needed to be done. You never see those other champs. Caitlyn seems to be the default ranged AD since Ashe was nerfed. In all honesty though Graves isn't much of a "ranged" carry since he has to be in melee range to be truly effective.

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    Fizz's dexterity allows him to ignore unit collisions and take less damage from basic attacks.
    OH LOOK ANOTHER GRAVES

    Calling it now, he'll be OP as shit the first week.

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    Uh oh :\... no more nimbleness in defense tree. Fuck, I really loved that on singed - it added more to him than like.. anything in the mastery trees >.>

    And I think this new offensive tree is way better than the previous one for ADs - while the utility tree got a slight buff, and the defense tree an overall buff, but the removal of nimbleness and dodge+ really makes me a sad panda. Fucking dodge runes..

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    The dodge related masteries are gone it seems, hmm~

    Edit: beaten by above

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    Remember seeing most these masteries a year ago about time they rolled out but I'm glad they took the time to tune and streamline them. The first batch of test masteries was pretty big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meian View Post
    The dodge related masteries are gone it seems, hmm~

    Edit: beaten by above
    Didn't they say something about taking dodge out of the game? Or wanting to? I kind of want to trash my dodge runes now and I'm hoping they do it for me and compensate me for them! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by orson View Post
    Definitely needed to be done. You never see those other champs. Caitlyn seems to be the default ranged AD since Ashe was nerfed. In all honesty though Graves isn't much of a "ranged" carry since he has to be in melee range to be truly effective.
    Yeah I understand that, but what I meant was they are horrible with balance and will probably nerf the 3 mentioned to be shit tier, and then not buff the others enough to be current tier.

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    Happy to see Sion get his AP scaling nerfed a bit, that was all I wanted, just something so that those stupid fuckers can't cast a shield that absorbs 1k damage every 5 seconds after bursting it on me for a third of my health after stunning me for 10 seconds then totally healing themselves back to full with their huge inherent AD. Fed sions are the worst.

    Wondering how the trees will play out, is there a list anywhere of the exact changes and new options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramor View Post
    Happy to see Sion get his AP scaling nerfed a bit, that was all I wanted, just something so that those stupid fuckers can't cast a shield that absorbs 1k damage every 5 seconds after bursting it on me for a third of my health after stunning me for 10 seconds then totally healing themselves back to full with their huge inherent AD. Fed sions are the worst.

    Wondering how the trees will play out, is there a list anywhere of the exact changes and new options?
    Reducing his ratios by 0.1 isn't going to change him in the slightest.

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    900 damage instead of 1000. Woo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivero View Post
    Reducing his ratios by 0.1 isn't going to change him in the slightest.
    Actually it's almost a 20% damage nerf on his burst once he has around 300 ap, that's pretty big and it hits him even harder because it lowers his shield as well making it easier to pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bweigelt View Post
    Actually it's almost a 20% damage nerf on his burst once he has around 300 ap, that's pretty big and it hits him even harder because it lowers his shield as well making it easier to pop.
    this, even though i don't think .1 was totally enough i'm glad as shit to have it

    also, anyone roll with leona and what do you roll for runes? i'm now hesitant to buy a dodge set but i've got +hp/level reds atm and my leftovers are pretty much random flat def and AP/mpen runes since i don't have anything else really tank~ish

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    hp/level reds are fine i guess, you could use mpen reds too to make your abilities do a little bit of damage, she hurts early, then armor yellows mr blues and uh, whatever quints. MS or HP or just whatever the fuck really

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    yeah she does hurt early i'm just afraid to put too much into her early game and neglect the late-game too much, maybe i'll try running a little more mpen/ap heavy set next time i play

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    people that can't counter sion... derp.. i have a feeling he's gonna go through xin zhao syndrome, nerfed into obscurity because of the lower-elo population.

    malz counters sion hard, as does ryze and brand

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    Executioner's callinggggg

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    they aren't nerfing sion because of his ult while AD

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    Been playing AP sion for way too long, and they're finally nerfing him because of tournament play and his recent buffs. I wish they just woulda left him the way he was before, pre his buffs so he wouldn't have become as popular/easy to use -_-

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    poppy is soooo underestimated. two guys were laughing at me for picking poppy... after the game they cryed so much haha

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