Old League of Legends Thread

**Cleverness** · 2012-09-15 18:59

Only put 1 point in Q and then never again until necessary. At lvl 2 you build depending on whether you have to play offensive or defensive in lane depending on your opponent, but by 3-4 you should have 1 point in the initial 3. I prefer W first but I'll level W + E evenly if I need the extra shield. The majority of her damage comes from her great mobility(thanks to Q + E), her stun plus the excellent damage from her passive to auto attacks. When you get the hang of weaving auto attacks in to not waste charges you'll notice the difference in her power. The combo that Aero posted is pretty standard and you've played Renekton it's practically the same thing(dash in, W to stun, Q for an extra hit, dash out which is normally possible) and it's just as effective.

Item wise I'll generally just go Dorans + Brutalizer/Wriggles(depending on matchup, preferably Brutalizer) + Tabi/Merc treads, start towards BT.

**Aeowin** · 2012-09-15 19:25

Yeah, the damage on Q goes up, the cool down doesn't go down. The cool down on E and W go down. W being up more often is more kill potential and utility than Q doing a little bit more damage.

**Mrbeansman** · 2012-09-15 22:31

I'll probley learn both but whats preferable these days; AD or AP Nidalee?

**chazzyphizzle** · 2012-09-15 23:14

its alot more damage on Q maxed, not sure why you bros are scoffing at it. give it a try.

**Hiryo** · 2012-09-15 23:16

Going AD let's you farm and deceptively tanky :D

**Aero** · 2012-09-16 01:00

Originally Posted by Coolbeans

I'll probley learn both but whats preferable these days; AD or AP Nidalee?

Really depends on your team comp, AD nidalee will be able to split push for days but is nearly useless in team fights. AP Nidalee will be able to poke with the best of them while doing large heals on your own team.

Both are completely viable.

Originally Posted by chazzyphizzle

its alot more damage on Q maxed, not sure why you bros are scoffing at it. give it a try.

Assuming you are still talking about riven; maxed Q does less damage on average if you take into consideration that you wont hit someone 3 times with it; as most riven players will use it as a gap closer.

If you Q into your opponent, stun, AA, then dash out you are now relatively safe from counter harass and ganks.

If you E in, stun, Q + AA for damage you will end up within counter harass range and take more damage over time as well. You will also have no escape mechanisms from a gank.

The minimal damage increase you get from maxing Q as opposed to W, will result in less consistent damage as well as being in an unfavorable ending position after you combo.

**Cleverness** · 2012-09-16 01:36

There's no benefit to maxing Q first really. If you level it over dash, your shield will be weaker and the cooldown won't go down. If you level it over stun, it does less damage and the cooldown won't go down. Not to mention you won't always be in position to hit every Q with Riven anyway, so you're wasting part of it. Meanwhile you can get in position pretty easy to W thanks to Q + E, and having a stronger shield that scales off AD is always good in top lane.

Assuming 200AD(lets just ignore armor for the comparison purposes since it's effect them all similarly), each hit of a max level Q will do 270 per hit, 810 total. W will do 380 but it'll have a 7sec cooldown at Rank 5 as opposed to the constant 13sec cooldown that Q has, so can almost fit in 2 in the time it takes to do 1 set of Q. So 13 seconds of W is about 705 damage. Less damage, but that's assuming all the Q's hit, and W has the benefit of stunning while Q can only knockup on the last part of the combo. And this also benefits chasing more since you can start Q, stun, continue till you knockup, and you're stun will be up before your Q to stop them from running again.

tldr; Q damage isn't bad but it depends on the entire combo, and the damage + utility that W + E provide is a better investment in the current toplane meta early on, where you need to be able to survive on your own for long periods of time.

**Yomisha** · 2012-09-16 01:42

Ever try tank Nidalee? She's a friggin' beast. Being able to hit hard with huge survivability rate (not to mention being able to support) makes her obnoxious to play against like that, lol. Have only ran into it a very few times, but I think it'd be fun to try out.

But I agree with Aero, either work but it really depends on your team comp.

**chazzyphizzle** · 2012-09-16 15:38

the damage increase is not minimal, and riven is a burst caster so you really dont need to W multiple times in lane. and again, it is a level as you go thing, there is no set way to play riven, maxing Q first assumes you are ahead or better than your lane opponent and can dictate terms of engagements whenever you want, so you E into them, W, then Q.

**Dantrag** · 2012-09-19 21:17

So glad my rank is perma gold. So many bad games as of late... not even my fault most the time

**Conrad** · 2012-09-19 22:35

I'd be happy with silver by the end of season 2

**Dantrag** · 2012-09-19 23:32

I've dropped about 100 elo lol. Fkn baddies all over the place. Lost when I was something like 12-4 lb

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-20 08:17

Fuck, I hate syndra. Will be using the refund option on her lol.

**Meian** · 2012-09-20 08:33

Originally Posted by Tyrath

Fuck, I hate syndra. Will be using the refund option on her lol.

lolol I warned you (100% accuracy yeaaaaaaaaa!)

They said she was overnerfed and they'd fix it. I still enjoy her as she is atm but I can see her getting buffed which pleases me~

**Arvin** · 2012-09-20 09:11

If you don't care about losing, the best and most fun lane to ever play is Syndra+Zilean.

**Aeowin** · 2012-09-20 12:26

The fact the refund thing is only 3 times for LIFE is kinda retarded. It should at least refresh every season.

**Conrad** · 2012-09-20 12:42

I like it; it forces people to be more aware of what they're buying and less wasteful. I don't buy skins anyway, but I certainly wouldn't want to waste RP on something I didn't like and haven't looked at beforehand.

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-20 13:35

Originally Posted by Aeowin

The fact the refund thing is only 3 times for LIFE is kinda retarded. It should at least refresh every season.

The thing is, you already had 3 refunds available. You just had to contact support. Now they just made it automated. It's for those accidents you might have, not a thing that you can abuse to try things out.

**Meian** · 2012-09-20 18:18

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/v...raka-starchild

Yessssssssssssssssssss better particles finally

Originally Posted by Tyrath

The thing is, you already had 3 refunds available. You just had to contact support. Now they just made it automated. It's for those accidents you might have, not a thing that you can abuse to try things out.

Correct

**Siniroth** · 2012-09-21 04:59

Originally Posted by Tyrath

The thing is, you already had 3 refunds available. You just had to contact support. Now they just made it automated. It's for those accidents you might have, not a thing that you can abuse to try things out.

It would still be nice if there was some sort of refresh... Such as if everything goes past the 90 day limit, then you get one more refund, but waits till you buy something else before that 90 day count for another refund resets (so you can onl get more refunds after 90 days of not buying stuff, thus making all you've already got non refundable)

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