Old League of Legends Thread

[Zetanio]

I used Runaan's one game with Thresh and if you can get some AA's off into a group you do a LOT of damage.

[Dantrag]

Ranked just became MUCH worse than it was...

[ringthree]

Ranked just became MUCH worse than it was...

Worse, how so? I figured the new system would help out a lot, but theory and practice don't often agree.

[ringthree]

I've never seen her early game damage deal enough to push out a lane (Taric, Sona, Raka all heal enough to nullify it), and she's squishy enough where other supports fuck her up (Leona, Taric). She gets fucked up. Maybe I'm not annoyed by the champ, just the fact that no one can play her

You are either playing Lulu wrong, or your adc is sucking.

[Dantrag]

Worse, how so? I figured the new system would help out a lot, but theory and practice don't often agree.

It's about 10x as punishing. Say you lose 5 games. In the previous system it would take 5 games to come back. Now it takes about 7-8 games to come back. And depending on where your lose is it can wipe your gains of a 4-5 winning streak with a single lose or two.

[ringthree]

I'm still trying to figure out a standard Thresh AD top build.

Currently going Doran's Blade to start and then MR boots, Bloodthirster or Frozen Mallet (Depends on comp), Iceborn Gauntlets, Warmogs, Atma's and then situational items (Maw, Last Whisper, Guardian Angel)

I like Manamune(Muramana) but I've never fit it in my build.

That being said, Thresh is REALLY fun to play at the moment. I was laning against Darius last night and hooked myself in to him, Boxed him, knocked him into the wall and AA'd him 3 times for the kill. Glorious.

Maybe it is just me, but it seems like you would get bullied by most decent tops. I don't know if hooking a bruiser top is the best idea if that is where they want to be anyway. While you may have beaten a Darius top, I would guess that in most cases with equal skill you would lose that engage. Same with Riven and Olaf.

[ringthree]

It's about 10x as punishing. Say you lose 5 games. In the previous system it would take 5 games to come back. Now it takes about 7-8 games to come back. And depending on where your lose is it can wipe your gains of a 4-5 winning streak with a single lose or two.

Really? Because that is not how they explained the system to work. Weird.

[ringthree]

It's about 10x as punishing. Say you lose 5 games. In the previous system it would take 5 games to come back. Now it takes about 7-8 games to come back. And depending on where your lose is it can wipe your gains of a 4-5 winning streak with a single lose or two.

From Riot:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hidden Dragon
The system has some serious problems with how difficult it makes advancing and how much it punishes losses.

Some of the big issues:
1) MMR and Tier/Division mismatch basically means that you can be stuck gaining 1-2 LP on win and get -20 LP on loss. Worst of all, you are stuck in this situation as the system is trying to demote you out of a tier, even though that's not possible.
2) Your LP gain at 90+ LP decreases dramatically. It requires 2-3 games to reach 100 LP, while a loss is still -20 LP.
3) Losing your best of 3 or best of 5 puts you at 50 LP rather than just removing the LP from the loss from 100.
4) Losing your first game AFTER you have been promoted up a division will automatically demote you back to the previous division at 50 LP.

The system is so skewed towards keeping you in the division you are in, it's ridiculous. I applaud anyone that has managed to rank up, because this system is beyond broke.
Going to address some misconceptions here:

1. Outside of the specific exception you mention in point #2, this situation is impossible.
2. This can happen in Division I when your MMR isn't high enough to qualify for the next tier. It's necessary because tier upgrades are permanent, and letting people go up a tier that they aren't ready for will cause a bunch of players permanently stuck at the bottom of Division V.
3. Incorrect, it calculates LP gains and losses as normal and place you back into the standings based on that. If you go 1-2 in the series, you'll have ~80 LP afterwards.
4. It's impossible to be demoted for the first few games after making it to a new division.

I agree that the Division I situation feels pretty frustrating right now. The fact that your LP gains are clamped until you've passed some additional checks is necessary, but the fact that you still lose full LP amounts on a loss makes it seem like a single loss is erasing 3 or 4 wins (when behind the scenes it actually isn't). There's room for improvement there.

and Yegg's goes on to say that the system doesn't feel right and it's too punishing. They are going to fix that.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...40185#34240185

[Zetanio]

Maybe it is just me, but it seems like you would get bullied by most decent tops. I don't know if hooking a bruiser top is the best idea if that is where they want to be anyway. While you may have beaten a Darius top, I would guess that in most cases with equal skill you would lose that engage. Same with Riven and Olaf.

The only one I'd be worried about is Olaf. Thresh's AA range is huge. You have a knockback.slow combo and a shield buff. I use the shield buff to pick up badly placed souls or to cover any damage I take when I go to poke.

[ringthree]

I just played some games with Lulu because of the previous comments. Yes, she is a god. Poke with slow. Shields, movement speed and a hard CC and an Ult that crushes teams.

[Qeomash]

I'm honestly surprised I don't see Lulu more often. My games are a constant stream of Blitz and Sona support.

[ringthree]

I'm honestly surprised I don't see Lulu more often. My games are a constant stream of Blitz and Sona support.

Blitz is usually an instant kill if you land the pull, and Sona is faceroll. So I can see why they are played more.

[Pabst]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er2Y...e_gdata_player

[Hiryo]

Watching that Aphromoo support clg in LCS lol Wishing him all the luck though. Link playing Syndra mid, which is really exciting vs Regi on Kayle.

Steal the enemy blue with force of will and kill it with top and support.

[Deftscythe]

Yeah, I think he fucked up. CLG isn't the team they used to be and frankly I think they're on the way to collapse if hotshot can't put his ego in check.

On the bright side, Fear(now Vulcun) seems even better now that Zuna is out of top and beasting it on adc. Looking forward to them this weekend.

[chazzyphizzle]

hotshot needs to retire and let someone else top for them, he just did not keep up with everyone else, and it's painful to watch him play now

[The_OG_Nelta]

He was doing pretty bad, and I'm not saying he's good, but he did have no runes that game. He in fact, believed in the power of god.

[D44kpunk]

most of the pros are washed up. i personally think reginald is pretty terrible now too.

hoping the new blood brings in some good teams for the NA side of things but i'm guessing we'll continue to get stomped by EU/kr/br/whatever

[The_OG_Nelta]

Best NA team is probably Curse right now and they are anything but washed up. The top NA team to be watching this season is MRN.

Asian teams are probably going to have toughest time with EU teams.

[Sup3rB4d]

CLG isn't the team they used to be and frankly I think they're on the way to collapse if hotshot can't put his ego in check.

I don't think the best team in North America (arguably with curse) is going to collapse anytime soon, and I think you're confusing Hotshot with doublelift. HS doesn't have an ego that needs to be put in check.