Old League of Legends Thread

**Viq** · 2013-08-15 08:50

These baseball analogies are all terrible. The infield fly rule to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping balls in order to force a situation where they are guaranteed to get more outs with no possible counter play by the offense. That is in no way comparable to a strategy in a video game that actually has multiple opportunities for strategic counter play... in a game built around strategic play and counter play.

**Marootsoobutsu** · 2013-08-15 12:41

Originally Posted by Viq

These baseball analogies are all terrible. The infield fly rule to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping balls in order to force a situation where they are guaranteed to get more outs with no possible counter play by the offense. That is in no way comparable to a strategy in a video game that actually has multiple opportunities for strategic counter play... in a game built around strategic play and counter play.

If they changed the rule for the LCS, specifically, then I think it's bogus. Watching pros do stuff like that was awesome, and I loved the 2-v-1 and 3-v-1 early pushes. It added a ton of excitement to the game *EARLY*, where now it's kind of boring. Laning phase is fun to play (for me, at least), but not really fun to watch. If it was added in for normal games and low ranked (Bronze/Silver)? Then I like it. Because in those games, a single early screw up could become a near insurmountable deficit. A three minute fubar still gives the successful team an advantage, but it's not an advantage the other team has a 20%* chance of coming back from. The Pros expect that kind of play, and they know how to counter it immediately... pub-games don't have the kind of teamwork and communication necessary for that kind of reaction.

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**ringthree** · 2013-08-15 16:01

Originally Posted by Viq

These baseball analogies are all terrible. The infield fly rule to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping balls in order to force a situation where they are guaranteed to get more outs with no possible counter play by the offense. That is in no way comparable to a strategy in a video game that actually has multiple opportunities for strategic counter play... in a game built around strategic play and counter play.

You are WAY over-analyzing the analogy. They made a rule change to prevent a certain strategy because it makes things less confusing and more enjoyable to watch.

They pretty much make all of their changes because of the LCS and high-level play, but it always applies to all games. The LCS just gets it later so that they get some time practicing with it.

Also, I don't know what you have been watching but there were no 2v1 or 3v1 pushes. They just pulled their jungler and put them in the unbalanced lane. This turned the lanes into this inevitable slog of being pushed up with no risk of ganks. I don't know how you guys thought that was exciting, because it wasn't.

**Deftscythe** · 2013-08-15 17:52

Originally Posted by ringthree

Also, I don't know what you have been watching but there were no 2v1 or 3v1 pushes. They just pulled their jungler and put them in the unbalanced lane. This turned the lanes into this inevitable slog of being pushed up with no risk of ganks. I don't know how you guys thought that was exciting, because it wasn't.

And now they're doing the exact same thing, except it lasts even longer and is even more boring.

**ringthree** · 2013-08-16 08:41

Originally Posted by Deftscythe

And now they're doing the exact same thing, except it lasts even longer and is even more boring.

You are not going to like the PTR changes to towers then. (I don't like them either, I think tower dives are fun.)

I just think you like the concept of unbalanced lanes, but that has already staled. Either both teams just get minute 4 towers, or both teams junglers just slow the push. Maybe last season, or the very beginning of this season the game was in the state you liked, but it's just not that way anymore.

Ganks are much cooler than 2v1+1 lanes.

**Darkslitter** · 2013-08-16 11:09

Originally Posted by Darkslitter

Art project done:
[img]https://bucket.bluegartr.com/f56ed9f2de5a35e1604e4cfea1dd7f03.jpg[/img

So i was walking around gen con holding my ward, and some guy from riot gave me a free full metal ramus and riot graves skin. He was just walking around enjoying the con handing it out to people with LoL stuffs.

**Deftscythe** · 2013-08-16 19:12

Originally Posted by ringthree

You are not going to like the PTR changes to towers then. (I don't like them either, I think tower dives are fun.)

I just think you like the concept of unbalanced lanes, but that has already staled. Either both teams just get minute 4 towers, or both teams junglers just slow the push. Maybe last season, or the very beginning of this season the game was in the state you liked, but it's just not that way anymore.

Ganks are much cooler than 2v1+1 lanes.

But the junglers still aren't ganking. The stale part of the game you're talking about is now just longer. What I like is the post-laning part of the game(as a viewer), which just got pushed back by like four minutes for no other reason than Riot thinks it should be that way.

**Viq** · 2013-08-19 04:50

Current laning phase is boring as hell, but shout outs to VES for swiping a 2:50 dragon the other day. Wish there had been more wacky plays like that from them, especially after they got mathematically eliminated.

**ringthree** · 2013-08-19 08:29

Originally Posted by Viq

Current laning phase is boring as hell, but shout outs to VES for swiping a 2:50 dragon the other day. Wish there had been more wacky plays like that from them, especially after they got mathematically eliminated.

I haven't seen the game yet, but I heard they still lost. The reason that people don't do wacky plays is because 90% of the time they fail. Wacky plays that work just become the norm. ADC and support bot was "wacky" in season 1.

**ringthree** · 2013-08-19 08:29

If Doublelift is the number 1 NA ADC, and Nien is in the top 4, who are the other two?

**Viq** · 2013-08-19 08:41

Originally Posted by ringthree

I haven't seen the game yet, but I heard they still lost. The reason that people don't do wacky plays is because 90% of the time they fail. Wacky plays that work just become the norm. ADC and support bot was "wacky" in season 1.

It was actually a terrible play for VES. The way they set it up just ended up putting dudes behind on xp and buffs, and they never caught up. It was still more interesting than every other NA game this week, at least until the very end when people started adopting 3 v 1 lanes to bring back fast push.

As for NA ADCs, I like WildTurtle a lot, and really the only argument against Sneaky being top tier is that he's only done it for one split so far.

**ringthree** · 2013-08-19 09:07

Originally Posted by Viq

It was actually a terrible play for VES. The way they set it up just ended up putting dudes behind on xp and buffs, and they never caught up. It was still more interesting than every other NA game this week, at least until the very end when people started adopting 3 v 1 lanes to bring back fast push.

As for NA ADCs, I like WildTurtle a lot, and really the only argument against Sneaky being top tier is that he's only done it for one split so far.

Sneaky is definitely really good, but I haven't seen many plays that make him stand out. Team play seems to be his focus, not "mechanics".

**Penthesilea** · 2013-08-19 18:04

Originally Posted by Viq

It was actually a terrible play for VES. The way they set it up just ended up putting dudes behind on xp and buffs, and they never caught up. It was still more interesting than every other NA game this week, at least until the very end when people started adopting 3 v 1 lanes to bring back fast push.

I watched that match and they got two really early dragons. I think right as it spawned, 2:30, and then again @ 8:30. Not only did it set them back in XP (laners/jungle) but their jarvan then was buffless and really behind. The advantage they gained in gold was lost because they didn't have the opportunity to spend that gold early for lane advantage.

**Viq** · 2013-08-21 06:11

If anyone is up early, KT B vs. CJ Frost in the OGN semis is going on now. Game 1 just finished up. These are the first OGN games to be run on 3.10 too. Here's the English stream:

[twitchtv]ongamenet[/twitchtv]

**ringthree** · 2013-08-21 11:02

Jesus Christ, listening to the qualifications for Worlds from Asia is like that scene from Baseketball.

**jinkazama** · 2013-08-22 17:23

Brony Hecarim is amazing. Granted I suck with him but its worth it just for the skin.

**ringthree** · 2013-08-22 17:29

Originally Posted by jinkazama

Brony Hecarim is amazing. Granted I suck with him but its worth it just for the skin.

Wife already has Arcade Sona, and she loves jungling Hec, so the it was an insta-buy for her. She basically wants an Aracde skin for everyone. LOL

**Tyrath** · 2013-08-22 17:30

I for some reason bought a shitty skin for Heca on sale before, so had to get the arcade one. Looks awesome.

**bluefan** · 2013-08-23 11:33

Some very good matches so far today. Last day of work before I leave for vacation and LoL has been streaming since I started woooooooooo.

Also:

**Viq** · 2013-08-23 12:08

I missed the Wildcard games, but both the EU quarterfinals and the OGN semis were really good tonight. One thing that really stood out between the EU and KR games (both from tonight and Wednesday) was just how broken Zac is right now, and how big the gap in Zac play is between the two regions. Insec especially was playing the best Zac I've ever seen on Wednesday night.

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