The world's most feminist country: Iceland has just banned all strip clubs.

[Correction]

I was reminded of this, somehow

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...f/Wknight2.jpg

Yeah, how dare those women make more money than retail wage slaves. Outlaw them by god before the sexism becomes too much to bear for us all.

[ODF]

Since It's something I really know I will try to make a post with my bad english.

Strippers are specials ... I've had many girlfriends, many hot ones. I've success with girls and I have nothing to worry about so going to these clubs isn't an act of despair. Being able to leave reality is what I love with them, you can look, say any bullshits and touch them and nothing is wrong ... no bitches to make some drama. When the girl is getting anoying you can just turn to the next one in a minute and she'll be happy to make you forget how sad the other girl was. I'm single and an asshole, if I lose my strippers how could I leave that reality !

I'm broken, girls broke me and I like who I am like that. =)

* I used to be a nice man though, I try to forget it.

[Kuya]

lol

[archibaldcrane]

Great, now French Canadians are making me think that maybe stripping does objectify women.

[Julian]

Would a "feminist ban on porn" just be a ban on straight porn, or, porn that includes women I guess?

Would gay porn be ok? lol

[Plow]

I see where you're coming from, but you've gotta be fair here: lots of strippers are not savvy and it's their (typically male) bosses who are really benefiting from the wallet exploitation you're talking about.

This is kind of the caveat of the sex industry: for all the in-control, savvy, and generally satisfied sex workers, there are at least an equal amount of abused and exploited ones. And, as with the sex industry as a whole, most of the exploited ones are female.

You realize how true this is of pretty much every industry out there, right?

[Lucavi]

I don't really like strip clubs.

I hate being objectivized like a walking ATM

Seriously, I think it's creepy. I don't even want my Hooters waitress to touch me while I'm ordering. Ugh.

Is the food at Hooters so good to make you go back even though you don't want tits around you?

[archibaldcrane]

Is the food at Hooters so good to make you go back even though you don't want tits around you?

I think I've only been 3 times, always for some event like someone else's birthday party.

I don't revel in it, and the food is way fucking overpriced.

[Lucavi]

Yeah, I was just saying: why traffic a place known for high prices and tits if the tits are the problem.

Carry on, good sir.

[Lyn]

Chill out guys, it's just Iceland.

[Narol]

Saying that women should have the freedom to be strippers is like saying that black people should have the freedom to work for Walmart.

As opposed to having the freedom to be slaves, yes, I support black people working for Walmart.

But seriously...

I've never liked the whole "feminism means holding women up on a pedestal" approach. You wind up getting shit like this ban on strip clubs. It's not a "feminist" ban at all. It's telling women they can't do something because of men (the whole "objectification" bullshit). It's about as contrary to real feminism as you can get: telling women that they have to fit a certain list of criteria that men don't have to.

I mean, hell, as a woman, I think women (and men) should be free to take their clothes off for money if they want to. I think the "objectification" problem is something the men doing the objectifying, not the women, need to work on. "There are strip clubs, therefore women are going to be generally objectified" is just a stupid rehash of the "she was asking for it since she was wearing a short skirt" argument. It puts all the blame on the victim. Using porn or strip clubs as an excuse to objectify women is like using video games as an excuse for violence.

The real problem are the abusive strip clubs, not strip clubs on the whole. The correct approach would be to work on legislation ensuring a certain standard in the working environment.

[Drex]

Generalizations are a lot easier though, and give politicians a soap box to stand on. Straw-Strip Clubs?

[Kuya]

As opposed to having the freedom to be slaves, yes, I support black people working for Walmart.

You're right, that would have been a much better analogy.

Saying that women should have the freedom to be strippers, is like saying that black peole should have the freedom to be slaves.

Not as accurate, but it carries more bang.

[Kuya]

Now that i recall, a very common argument from industries against child labor laws was that the government was taking away freedoms from children.

[Narol]

Saying that women should have the freedom to be strippers, is like saying that black peole should have the freedom to be slaves.

I support black people being into lifestyle BDSM if they want to be.

Now that i recall, a very common argument from industries against child labor laws was that the government was taking away freedoms from children.

Restricting child labour != telling a woman she can't perform a specific job which can be made surprisingly safe and also allow her to support herself/her children if she can't find work anywhere else.

[Correction]

As I recall, grown adults have greater privileges regarding occupational choice than unemancipated children ever did.

[Kuya]

I said they were exactly the same thing. Did you see it? I even bolded it to make sure everyone saw it.

[JigglyJam]

I wouldn't want to live in a society without strip clubs, but that's just me.

Damn Iceland's population is small. It has less than half of Denton's population and 1/8 of Dallas'. Googling revealed that there weren't any strip clubs in Denton (shitloads in dallas and fort worth though). I would assume there wouldn't be many strip clubs to begin with in Iceland.

[Kuya]

Of course, more intelligent people probably would have read that as: saying that banning strip clubs is taking freedoms away from women (as if it were substantial) when the freedom to work in a stripclub is not much of a freedom at all. Like say, taking away the "freedom" of children to work in industry is not a freedom that will be missed. Of course, the point is that no equation is being made between women and children, but rather, that the contested "freedom" is expendable.

The issue, rather, is if banning such a thing is even worth the hassle at all.

[Narol]

As has long since been established, most men really, really like to see naked women. Just regulate strip clubs and keep them as non-exploitive as possible, and then it just becomes similar in theme to porn and what-have-you. Works better all around than bandying "it's because of the women" around as an excuse to axe the whole thing.

The question of male strip clubs never comes up, but sure, have those too. Straight women and gay men like to see naked men about as much as lesbian women and straight men like to see naked women, and it gives the bisexuals an even better range of choices.

Edit: Derpa derp, I apparently can't write sentences tonight.