Forthcoming Job Adjustments - All 20 Jobs Previewed! - (03/30/2010)

[Kaslo]

Unless the object referenced is job adjustments, which is what makes more sense to me. They are simply saying "just because we gave you new avatars it doesn't mean we won't be giving you something else as well."

[Xavier]

You're making an assumption that isn't supported by the language used. You're literally inserting a new direct object that isn't referenced anywhere in the first two clauses. There is no reason to think that the object of "more" in the second clause is refering to anything but "avatars" from the first. The first two clauses are directly linked together, while the third is independent.

Your assumption would require the third clause to begin with "including" rather than "as well as," as that would link the second clause to the third rather than the first and completely change the sentence.

Now, that doesn't mean there will actually be new avatars. It's entirely possible they're just guilty of poor word choices.

[Draylo]

Very nice, to me that sounds like new avatars . I am loving the rest of the stuff though, new BLU hnm magic lol. If there will be new avatars, I would bet that Ixion and Atomos are the ones.

[Rocl]

Ixion and not Cait Sith? That seems silly. To me, so far, Ixion/Alicorn seem to be regular monsters (albeit rare), while it's been stated that Atomos and Cait Sith are avatars. (See: Latests WOTG Missions, they call each other avatars.)

Also new Blue Magic is clearly going to be the following:

Behemoth: Thunderbolt (AoE low dmg + stun)
Adamantoise: Aqua Breath (Water-based breath)
Wyrm: Horrid Roar (Full Dispel)
Cerberus: Ululation (AoE paralyze)
Hydra: Trembling (AoE dmg + Dispel)
Khimaira: Tenebrous Mist (AoE TP wipe)
Ixion: Archeron Kick (conal dmg)
Wivre: Batterhorn (conal dmg + knockback)
Orobon: Hypnic Lamp (AoE Sleep)
Sandworm: Aeolian Void (conal dmg + silence + blind)
Amphipteres: Bloody Beak (AoE drain)
Vampyr: Bloodrake (Drain)
Acrolith: Sinker Drill (dmg)
Dvergr: Hellsnap (AoE stun)
Chariot: Diffusion Ray (breath)
Gears: Restoral (self-heal)
Rampart: Roller Chain (AoE dmg + Bind)
Craver: Material Fend (Evasion Boost)
Gorger: Promvyion Barrier (Defense Boost)
Seether: Vanity Strike (dmg + stun)
Thinker: Winds of Promvyion (Erase)
Wanderer: Vanity Dive (dmg)
Weeper: Empty Kiss (dmg + plague + poison)

[Draylo]

Oh well I haven't done the latest WOTG missions, so I thought Cait Sith was just a special character. That is very interesting.. I need to get off my ass and do those nation quests that were recently released, if I can find people for them that is. Ixion isn't in the game yet though. There is aurorilcan unicorn (sp) and *Dark* Ixion, so there is a possiblity the light version can make it in!

[darkepyon]

I believe so. I remember people saying they learned Body Slam there. Good call on Nyzul.

If not for Nyzul, I wouldn't have some of the more annoying spells (mind blast, amplification, body slam). Spike flail would be a stretch, though I wouldn't mind something like magma hoplon (possibly upgraded version of Diamondhide with a higher cap).

[Rocl]

There's 23 new blue magic spells RIGHT THERE. I like to think we'll get Empty spells when they remove the level cap on Promvyion

[Midnightjade]

If not for Nyzul, I wouldn't have some of the more annoying spells (mind blast, amplification, body slam). Spike flail would be a stretch, though I wouldn't mind something like magma hoplon (possibly upgraded version of Diamondhide with a higher cap).

When I still did Nyzul, I saw so many pickup WAR flail Fafnir on floors 20 and 40. Sometimes even when told beforehand, and at the start of the boss floor, they STILL found a way to pop a Berserk MS RR from the tail end.

Eventually we just ran with 5 if someone from the static was missing. So annoying.

[Ddboner]

I want to know if the current good spells will cap before 99, and if so will they raise their caps or introduce all new endgame spells.

Be pretty fail if for example disseverement caps, like when they lowered the cap on feather storm and it went from doing 400 dmg a pop @ 75 to 200.

Also, I want that multi-hit drain the empty boss uses, forget which. That would be sick.. and also, uncapped Goblin Rush, slashing dmg, with a full str mod. Be really uber, no more asuran claws crap plz....

[grozny]

Or I was just reading the update notes.. my fault..

[Lucavi]

You're making an assumption that isn't supported by the language used. You're literally inserting a new direct object that isn't referenced anywhere in the first two clauses. There is no reason to think that the object of "more" in the second clause is refering to anything but "avatars" from the first. The first two clauses are directly linked together, while the third is independent.

Your assumption would require the third clause to begin with "including" rather than "as well as," as that would link the second clause to the third rather than the first and completely change the sentence.

Now, that doesn't mean there will actually be new avatars. It's entirely possible they're just guilty of poor word choices.

GRAMMAR INFUSION! I love it. Preach on.

[NervosaEternal]

Incoming overpowered BLUs and no avatar releases!

[Elesar]

The wording does seem to state that there might be some new avatars down the line but I think it was just worded incorrectly. Even if there were to be some new avatars coming, don't expect those anytime soon. I would expect them a year or so from now.

If the developers at Square-enix were smart / lazy about it they could just release 2 mobs that are already set up to be avatars, Ixion (the white one - Alicorn) and Atomos (the Carvernus Maw from the past). Cait Sith might also be a possible avatar but I dought they would release him.

But once again, I don't expect there to be any new avatars. I just think it was worded incorrectly but it doesn't hurt to wish for new pets. Speaking of pets, I bet 20 bucks that after all the Beastmaster updates that job will still be useless (stop joking around, go switch to Warrior, kind of useless). I've had my hopes up for that job for waaay to long. I've given up hope.

[Elesar]

Also, for those that were a little bit confused about this statement.

We also plan on expanding beastmasters' tactical repertoire with abilities that allow them to manage enmity by transferring their own enmity to their pets, and some fresh additions to the roster of charmable monsters.

That just means they are planning to allow Snarl to work on charmed pets. Really useful but nothing game breaking.

[NervosaEternal]

Yeah i think the wording is just so we get false hopes of more avatars, especially ones that dont involve busting our two hours off to see them do something lame for a couple seconds, good idea for odin/alex but kinda lame imo. My SMN cries for more useful avatars.

[Draylo]

Ixion and not Cait Sith? That seems silly. To me, so far, Ixion/Alicorn seem to be regular monsters (albeit rare), while it's been stated that Atomos and Cait Sith are avatars. (See: Latests WOTG Missions, they call each other avatars.)

Also new Blue Magic is clearly going to be the following:

Behemoth: Thunderbolt (AoE low dmg + stun)
Adamantoise: Aqua Breath (Water-based breath)
Wyrm: Horrid Roar (Full Dispel)
Cerberus: Ululation (AoE paralyze)
Hydra: Trembling (AoE dmg + Dispel)
Khimaira: Tenebrous Mist (AoE TP wipe)
Ixion: Archeron Kick (conal dmg)
Wivre: Batterhorn (conal dmg + knockback)
Orobon: Hypnic Lamp (AoE Sleep)
Sandworm: Aeolian Void (conal dmg + silence + blind)
Amphipteres: Bloody Beak (AoE drain)
Vampyr: Bloodrake (Drain)
Acrolith: Sinker Drill (dmg)
Dvergr: Hellsnap (AoE stun)
Chariot: Diffusion Ray (breath)
Gears: Restoral (self-heal)
Rampart: Roller Chain (AoE dmg + Bind)
Craver: Material Fend (Evasion Boost)
Gorger: Promvyion Barrier (Defense Boost)
Seether: Vanity Strike (dmg + stun)
Thinker: Winds of Promvyion (Erase)
Wanderer: Vanity Dive (dmg)
Weeper: Empty Kiss (dmg + plague + poison)

They should add White wind... how many FF games have there been with this BLU spell? It should be in this one Puk move.

[Rokku]

Blue Magic spells

Man, I'd honestly be willing to bet almost every one of those ends up being right.

[Draylo]

Nah a good majority of those would be OP, especially a full dispel considering fenrir's real move does a full dispel yet avatar only gets two.

[Rokku]

Thus being the reasoning for the word "almost".

[Draylo]

More like very few.