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[Kalasin]

Yoichi sam destroys amano sam. If you have sam or plan to level sam at all do bow.

lol

Good sir, I have a feeling you are trolling us. Amano can be used on far more things than Yoichi, unless your name is Pchan and your thoughts of endgame consist of Salvage and merit parties.

If you like playing SAM on alot of things, get Amano, if you like playing SAM on simple things, get Yoichi. If you love SAM and want to get the maximum out of the job, get both and spam Kaiten>Namas for minimal hate. If you are in a tanking role, leave the Namas out.

Edit: Saw those posts late!

[Konda]

lol

Good sir, I have a feeling you are trolling us. Amano can be used on far more things than Yoichi, unless your name is Pchan and your thoughts of endgame consist of Salvage and merit parties.

If you like playing SAM on alot of things, get Amano, if you like playing SAM on simple things, get Yoichi. If you love SAM and want to get the maximum out of the job, get both and spam Kaiten>Namas for minimal hate. If you are in a tanking role, leave the Namas out.

Edit: Saw those posts late!

Yochi+Soboro or Amano+BT

problem?

Suck Less™



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[FailureMidgard]

Saying that Yoichi SAM is better than Amano SAM isn't the appropriate way to phrase it, though. Yoichi wins in terms of pure damage output, but Amano definitely wins in terms of overall utility.

I'm not even convinced Yoichi wins in terms of pure damage output...it only seems to win if for some reason the Amano sam feels they need to use seigan, or vs piercing vulnerable mobs.

[Kalasin]

Yochi+Soboro or Amano+BT

problem?

Suck Less™



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Read closely, reply again. Thanks.

I'm not even convinced Yoichi wins in terms of pure damage output...it only seems to win if for some reason the Amano sam feels they need to use seigan, or vs piercing vulnerable mobs.

Also this, and as well as one other point, your Soboro thoughts are limited to the "small" endgame, where you can actually use it.

[Konda]

Read closely, reply again. Thanks.

get both and spam Kaiten>Namas for minimal hate

why would you use both at the same time outside of towngear?

They both self light, and one of them is going to do more damage than the other in a given situation. Use the one that provides the most damage. Having Bow equipped when using Kaiten offers no benefit at all. Having Amano equipped when using names is still decent damage, but Soboro is better for dropping names.

Also this, and as well as one other point, your Soboro thoughts are limited to the "small" endgame, where you can actually use it.

Soboro is limited to the amount of TP moves your support can cope with. It's nothing to do with "small" or "big" endgame things. If you're fighting something where "TP spam" is a problem then Kaiten or even Gekko is probably going to perform better.

[Kalasin]

why would you use both at the same time outside of towngear?

They both self light, and one of them is going to do more damage than the other in a given situation. Use the one that provides the most damage. Having Bow equipped when using Kaiten offers no benefit at all. Having Amano equipped when using names is still decent damage, but Soboro is better for dropping names.

..And again you ignore what I said. If Kaiten is better "in this given situation", spamming it will get you hate, if you don't want this(as stated before "in a given situation") you use Namas to have less hate, this way you have less hate and still get your light off.

If you are tanking I won't agree with it either unless the said weapon is Amano, because Namas reduces your hate by a lot.

tl;dr The only situation Yoichi solo wins over Amano solo or Amano+Yoichi is when Namas is stronger than Amano Weapon Skills against the mobs you are fighting and you aren't tanking. Back to the point, "small" endgame.

edit: typo

[keitari]

Did Joyeuse drop?

First time I actually lol'ed at a post after being an avid BG reader for years....

[ZhiGaruda]

You are all looking at this situation as if Sidewinder doesn't exist, by the way. Yoichi is by far the end-all-be-all weapon for absolute maximum damage output, be it zerg or otherwise.

[Kalasin]

You are all looking at this situation as if Sidewinder doesn't exist, by the way. Yoichi is by far the end-all-be-all weapon for absolute maximum damage output, be it zerg or otherwise.

Cause SAM/notrng can use Sidewinder? derp.

[ZhiGaruda]

Cause SAM/notrng can use Sidewinder? derp.

Whoever said it had to be SAM? The discussion was bordering on Yoichi's usefulness as the most powerful relic.

[Ohaigaiz]

Whoever said it had to be SAM? The discussion was bordering on Yoichi's usefulness as the most powerful relic.

since when?

[Kalasin]

Whoever said it had to be SAM? The discussion was bordering on Yoichi's usefulness as the most powerful relic.

It's about whether to get Amano or Yoichi for SAM.

[Meat]

..And again you ignore what I said. If Kaiten is better "in this given situation", spamming it will get you hate, if you don't want this(as stated before "in a given situation") you use Namas to have less hate, this way you have less hate and still get your light off.

If you are tanking I won't agree with it either unless the said weapon is Amano, because Namas reduces your hate by a lot.

tl;dr The only situation Yoichi solo wins over Amano solo or Amano+Yoichi is when Namas is stronger than Amano Weapon Skills against the mobs you are fighting and you aren't tanking. Back to the point, "small" endgame.

edit: typo

small endgame? what's big endgame? because I'd imagine yochi would win on kb, in xarc, in zergs, ixion, SW(albeit on ranger), it would probably tie on cerb\khim. hell the only "big endgame" that amano would probably be a clear cut winner would be timmy and wouldn't hagun win there since you're not kaitenin

[Darkmagi]

Honestly unless you are really lacking buffers I don't see how amano can outdo soboro+yoichi unless you really need to limit mob tp gain. Being able to go all out damage without having to be defensive at all is one of its biggest benefits. If you are using amano sam on anything serious you are obviously pulling hate and I doubt you will be fulltiming hasso/DD gear. You would either need to be swapping into PDT gear somewhat frequently/seigan or /nin at the very least. Obviously if you want to be pulling hate and tanking you would want amano but I still don't see it winning. I would very much like to see comparison math assuming both have march x2 haste samba and a cor at least.

[Nozomi]

Eh. On anything you'd need to limit tp gain wouldn't be better off going RNG?

Other then that tell the tanks to suck it, considering how much tp gets fed to most mobs these days.

[Kalasin]

Honestly unless you are really lacking buffers I don't see how amano can outdo soboro+yoichi unless you really need to limit mob tp gain. Being able to go all out damage without having to be defensive at all is one of its biggest benefits. If you are using amano sam on anything serious you are obviously pulling hate and I doubt you will be fulltiming hasso/DD gear. You would either need to be swapping into PDT gear somewhat frequently/seigan or /nin at the very least. Obviously if you want to be pulling hate and tanking you would want amano but I still don't see it winning. I would very much like to see comparison math assuming both have march x2 haste samba and a cor at least.

On what mobs? And how does Amano not win for tanking if you can't even use Namas? Lol.

..And again you ignore what I said. If Kaiten is better "in this given situation", spamming it will get you hate, if you don't want this(as stated before "in a given situation") you use Namas to have less hate, this way you have less hate and still get your light off.

If you are tanking I won't agree with it either unless the said weapon is Amano, because Namas reduces your hate by a lot.

tl;dr The only situation Yoichi solo wins over Amano solo or Amano+Yoichi is when Namas is stronger than Amano Weapon Skills against the mobs you are fighting and you aren't tanking. Back to the point, "small" endgame.

edit: typo

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[Darkmagi]

I worded that wrongly. I meant for damage. Also the massively increased WS frequency is what would pull it ahead of amano for damage, Namas will most likely be doing less than kaiten per ws. I would imagine it should pretty much pull ahead on pure damage for almost anything with both being adequately buffed due to sheer WS frequency.

[Kalasin]

Again, mob and event dependant. Like just about everything in this game.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You still seem to be ignoring the fact that at some point the Amano needs to play defensively.

[thetruepandagod]

small endgame? what's big endgame? because I'd imagine yochi would win on kb, in xarc, in zergs, ixion, SW(albeit on ranger), it would probably tie on cerb\khim. hell the only "big endgame" that amano would probably be a clear cut winner would be timmy and wouldn't hagun win there since you're not kaitenin

Pretty sure it would crush amano on khimaira if thats what you are talking about, i'd rather have amano over yoichi for cerb tho, but that is because the sams should be tanking it