Fapworthy WS, SC, or MB damage IV: We can't read your black text or Comic Sans

[Ohaigaiz]

uhh pld is the only viable tank for this game don't you know anything

[thetruepandagod]

Why not just SAM tank everything?

I doubt the validity of using sam tanks on khimaira while having two rng pt's going all out, not that a pld does much in this regard. I also fail to see how a sam could tank ixion, i know they can *survive* but holding hate and staying alive is not something that i think is possible for a samurai to do on ixion, unless you have some sort of back and forth between 2 sams where one ws's its ass while the other tanks. Sams for cerb/tiamat/xarc/sw is fine though.

edit: if you are like some ls's that only use smns' for khimaira though then i think a sam tank would do fine.

[thetruepandagod]

Puzzling indeed.

But seriously ive heard of sam tanking DI quite a bit and i think failure has talked about it to, is there something im missing because i can't see any way at all a sam can tank ixion from 100% to 0% without it going pretty much anywhere it wants.

[bechyni]

Not ws damage but seemed like suitable thread. Had insane Shadow Ring procs today for khim. Not sure on the exact number but had multiple occasions where both PLD's rings proc'd

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Along with a few triple attacks from noct mail with two of them getting an excal proc on

[Thorny]

I don't see how a SAM could tank DI or Tiamat. Air time would kill your VE on timmy and he'd go wild, DRK is preferable since they can spam spells during that time period. DI is obvious enough.

2 RNG parties going all out doesn't change that much, if you mean dealing with tp then your sams need better PDT sets. A sword/shield PLD has next to no defensive advantage over a SAM. If you mean holding hate, dunno what to tell you, hate caps and both SAM and PLD can keep it there on khimaira.

[ZhiGaruda]

I've tanked DI on SAM several times, it's really not hard. Damage from the front is not so minimal that you can't keep decent enmity, and if you have a second tank, you can have one front, one rear, so someone is always doing damage. Remember, chillin' at the five-one makes Pony Kick never land.

Also: I SAM tank Khimaira pretty much everytime it pops, even with OAT weapons, other SAM's, WAR's etc all feeding stupid amounts of TP. It is better than PLD could ever be at tanking it.

[Kalasin]

I don't see how a SAM could tank DI or Tiamat. Air time would kill your VE on timmy and he'd go wild, DRK is preferable since they can spam spells during that time period. DI is obvious enough.

2 RNG parties going all out doesn't change that much, if you mean dealing with tp then your sams need better PDT sets. A sword/shield PLD has next to no defensive advantage over a SAM. If you mean holding hate, dunno what to tell you, hate caps and both SAM and PLD can keep it there on khimaira.

Solo tanking, you're right a SAM can't efficiently. However, a PLD cannot either. Any half decent DD will cap hate on DI in no time(unless you count to those who still use /thf and die every second WS then think they did good). Up to this point, I've tanked 40-60% of every DI we've killed on SAM together with our Aegis tank(inb4 use RDM idgaf). This is with 6-9 people, not 18. Go /nin, learn to count, co tank with the actual tank and be the highest parsing person.

Tiamat is a pussy, have a RDM or PLD to co tank with you and you're fine. Besides, my SAM for example takes close to no damage in air cause there are things like fire resist sets. RDM or PLD to save mages in case you do somehow take massive damage, if you wondered. However, this isn't an extremely good low man strategy as you would need 9-10 people I'd say.

I'm not talking about tossing people, I hope that became clear now.

[Fottiti]

Solo tanking, you're right a SAM can't efficiently. However, a PLD cannot either. Any half decent DD will cap hate on DI in no time(unless you count to those who still use /thf and die every second WS then think they did good). Up to this point, I've tanked 40-60% of every DI we've killed on SAM together with our Aegis tank(inb4 use RDM idgaf). This is with 6-9 people, not 18. Go /nin, learn to count, co tank with the actual tank and be the highest parsing person.

A decent rdm pld drk or nin can all maintain capped CE and constantly reach VE cap solo tanking ixion. Sure any DD/nin can and will tank ixion every time they WS/double attack. Obligatory comment about taking 6 people camping for up to 4 hours, potentially not getting claim and then taking another 20-45mins to kill being a waste of time.

Tiamat is a pussy, have a RDM or PLD to co tank with you and you're fine. Besides, my SAM for example takes close to no damage in air cause there are things like fire resist sets. RDM or PLD to save mages in case you do somehow take massive damage, if you wondered. However, this isn't an extremely good low man strategy as you would need 9-10 people I'd say.

If you have any blm in ally worth a damn they will pull and keep hate over a sam in the air because you can't maintain your VE and your CE will take a considerable hit over the full duration of the flight unless your rdm has capped phalanx 2.

Ixion takes exactly 30% damage from the front so you aren't maintaining hate from the there through melee damage.

[Kalasin]

A decent rdm pld drk or nin can all maintain capped CE and constantly reach VE cap solo tanking ixion. Sure any DD/nin can and will tank ixion every time they WS/double attack. Obligatory comment about taking 6 people camping for up to 4 hours, potentially not getting claim and then taking another 20-45mins to kill being a waste of time.



If you have any blm in ally worth a damn they will pull and keep hate over a sam in the air because you can't maintain your VE and your CE will take a considerable hit over the full duration of the flight unless your rdm has capped phalanx 2.

Ixion takes exactly 30% damage from the front so you aren't maintaining hate from the there through melee damage.

If you take over an hour to kill Tiamat as I'm seeing alot take this long right now, if you haven't noticed Tiamats hate goes all over the place. Read what I said again, take a RDM or PLD to co tank to tank during flight. Your Tiamat comment means nothing as there's nothing I said in there.

Solo tanking Ixion from front wasn't my thing, so ignoring that.

We use to do DI, never do now cause it's a waste of time. As for the might not claim, I don't know about others, but when we camped we lost about 5% out of all DIs that spawned, I'll take that risk.

Peace~

[StevenW]

Hey, just curious about something. Someone told me Jailer of Love is one of the highest defense enemies in all of the game right now. I somewhat believe them due to the difficulty of doing high damage weaponskills on it.

I'm wondering, what would qualify as a high Tachi: Gekko on JoL, SAM/WAR with Pizza+1, minuetx1, Hasso, and Berserk, from behind the mob? (No overwhelm)

[ZhiGaruda]

Hey, just curious about something. Someone told me Jailer of Love is one of the highest defense enemies in all of the game right now. I somewhat believe them due to the difficulty of doing high damage weaponskills on it.

I'm wondering, what would qualify as a high Tachi: Gekko on JoL, SAM/WAR with Pizza+1, minuetx1, Hasso, and Berserk, from behind the mob? (No overwhelm)

I have a feeling you have something you consider high damage, and want to know before posting it to avoid getting flamed.

Steven, you have never been one to tread lightly. Throw caution to the wind, post that big bad Gekko SS up!

[StevenW]

I have a feeling you have something you consider high damage, and want to know before posting it to avoid getting flamed.

Steven, you have never been one to tread lightly. Throw caution to the wind, post that big bad Gekko SS up!

>.> Ok you hit the nail right on the head

[Fottiti]

If you take over an hour to kill Tiamat as I'm seeing alot take this long right now, if you haven't noticed Tiamats hate goes all over the place. Read what I said again, take a RDM or PLD to co tank to tank during flight. Your Tiamat comment means nothing as there's nothing I said in there.

My point was that its irrelevant to how much damage the sam takes in the air because it will lose hate fast when it flies, it doesn't take over an hour for blms to start pulling hate (a good one can easily manage it in 2-3 flights). Yes its perfectly easy to have sam tank it with a pld/rdm/drk/nin, I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Solo tanking Ixion from front wasn't my thing, so ignoring that.

Was aimed at the post above yours

We use to do DI, never do now cause it's a waste of time. As for the might not claim, I don't know about others, but when we camped we lost about 5% out of all DIs that spawned, I'll take that risk.

Obviously it varies from server but there must have been some insanely gimp competition to only win 1/20 of claims if you are camping with as few as you are killing with.

[Kalasin]

I'm not gonna call names but we had such a high claim rate, the two competing Linkshells gave up at one point so we had pretty much free mobs.

[thetruepandagod]

If you have any blm in ally worth a damn they will pull and keep hate over a sam in the air because you can't maintain your VE and your CE will take a considerable hit over the full duration of the flight unless your rdm has capped phalanx 2.

Just curious but ever since they added the fomor nm's we have noticed that capping hate on tiamat takes only a few minutes and it decays fast, it got completely broken in some regard, just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

I've tanked DI on SAM several times, it's really not hard. Damage from the front is not so minimal that you can't keep decent enmity, and if you have a second tank, you can have one front, one rear, so someone is always doing damage. Remember, chillin' at the five-one makes Pony Kick never land.

i really can't believe you tank it at all for more then 20 seconds at a time before another DD pulls it off of you. When i say tank this in my mind you can keep hate off of other dd's for at least a substantial amount of time and i just don't see this being possible when you are doing 30% of your normal damage.

I'm not gonna call names but we had such a high claim rate, the two competing Linkshells gave up at one point so we had pretty much free mobs.

Let me know when you beat 620 ixions

[Tsuko_Asura]

i really can't believe you tank it at all for more then 20 seconds at a time before another DD pulls it off of you. When i say tank this in my mind you can keep hate off of other dd's for at least a substantial amount of time and i just don't see this being possible when you are doing 30% of your normal damage.

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Not that complicated bro

[ZhiGaruda]

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Not that complicated bro

I think I literally just shit my pants at how fucking amazing this post is, OMG

[thetruepandagod]

I've tanked DI on SAM several times, it's really not hard. Damage from the front is not so minimal that you can't keep decent enmity

Is what i was referring to, i have no qualms with the validity of 2 sam's semi ping ponging hate from ass to ass. But the idea of keeping hate strictly from the front is ludicrous, a good thf meleeing would tear it off of you.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Good thing he's not telling people to solo-tank it then, eh?

[Marcicus]

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Not that complicated bro

oh lord i lol'd at a tsuko post; i'm going to hell