Wikileaks Releases Video Depicting US Military Killing Dozen Iraqis Including Two Reuters Employees

[6souls]

just a lil over 34min into the video you can see a bystander get taken out with a hellfire missile.

Edit: Patoosh!

[Elvis]

I don't think they did anything wrong according to their own rules.

[miokomioko]

http://www.helis.com/sounds/bo-ah64.wav

http://www.helis.com/sounds/

I think I'd hear that. More likely that they had nothing to hide and didn't expect to get fired upon by americans.

Telescopic compression from the video proves they quite a distance away, not hovering above their heads. Also, do you think it's a rare occurance for a helicopter to be in the neighborhood?

[Rhinox]

I don't hear anything, and at a high enough altitude you would not be able to hear them.

Edit: Worked now, but yeah, that's not exactly loud and could easily be drowned out by gun fire or loud ambient noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unUq1Sk0D_8


really now?

you have be either Deaf or a non-combatant to not pay attention to this.

[Rhinox]

Also, do you think it's a rare occurance for a helicopter to be in the neighborhood?

No. But last I checked insurgents don't go around in helicopters so yeah.

Also this aircraft is 50 feet long. Kinda hard not to notice this shit flying over your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOIsDJsH1kw

[*Shinzon*]

I live near the SUNY maritime college and on memorial day Black Hawks fly right over my house above the parade, and they aren't that loud. What gets your attention is the vibrations from them flying so low. You can't even hear them from a block away, so yea.

[Rhinox]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=55588213


Video was taken from more then a block away. So either you're full of shit or you're mistaken. which is it?

btw These things aren't meant for High altitude attacks. They're called attack helicopters for a reason.

[archibaldcrane]

I live near the SUNY maritime college and on memorial day Black Hawks fly right over my house above the parade, and they aren't that loud. What gets your attention is the vibrations from them flying so low. You can't even hear them from a block away, so yea.

Are you trying to make the argument that the people who got shot would've run if they had heard/noticed it?

[*Shinzon*]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=55588213


Video was taken from more then a block away. So either you're full of shit or you're mistaken. which is it?

btw These things aren't meant for High altitude attacks. They're called attack helicopters for a reason.

When that video first loads, you hear exactly what it would sound like from attack distance. You wouldn't be able to hear having a conversation with a person next to you. I'm not saying they aren't audible. But they can easily blend in with other noises. Like I said Black Hawks during a parade.

Cool vid btw

[Rhinox]

When that video first loads, you hear exactly what it would sound like from attack distance. You wouldn't be able to hear having a conversation with a person next to you. I'm not saying they aren't audible. But they can easily blend in with other noises. Like I said Black Hawks during a parade.

here is the description from the guy that actually filmed it.

Here's a lil video showin an AH-​64 Apache makin a land ing in Bu san. All it shows is a land ing, but u can still get a good feel for just how pow er ful and loud these things can get. See ing this thing launch rock ets is some thing else! Wouldn't wan na be on the re ciev ing end of this guy, lol

[Raivyn]

In Shinzon's defense the Apache gunships are extremely quiet.

[Rhinox]

When that video first loads, you hear exactly what it would sound like from attack distance. You wouldn't be able to hear having a conversation with a person next to you. I'm not saying they aren't audible. But they can easily blend in with other noises. Like I said Black Hawks during a parade.

Cool vid btw

Now you're just being disingenuous.

from wiki

The AH-64 is designed to endure front-line environments and to operate during the day or night and in adverse weather using avionics,[34] such as the Target Acquisition and Designation System, Pilot Night Vision System (TADS/PNVS), passive infrared countermeasures,[35] GPS, and the IHADSS.[32][34] A newer system that is replacing TADS/PNVS is Arrowhead; it is manufactured by Lockheed Martin, a contract was made on 17 February

The AH-64 is adaptable to numerous different roles within its context as close air support (CAS), and has a customizable weapons loadout for the role desired.[25] In addition to the 30-mm M230 Chain Gun, the Apache carries a range of external stores on its stub-wing pylons, typically a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missiles, and Hydra 70 general-purpose unguided 70 mm (2.76 in) rockets.[37] The Stinger and AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and the AGM-122 Sidearm anti-radiation missile were evaluated beginning in the late 1980s.[38][39] The Stinger was initially selected over the AIM-9, but the US Army is considering the Starstreak air-to-air missile instead.[3][38] In case of emergency the pylons also have mounting points for personnel transfer, though the mounting points are normally used for ground helicopter maintenance.[40] External fuel tanks can also be carried by the pylons to increase range and mission time.[25]

These things are meant to be close to the ground which is why they are so heavily armored.

[Raivyn]

Just watched the video. The Apache is farther than that when attacking the people in the Reuters video.

[Rhinox]

The Ceiling on the apache is 21,000 feet.

Look I'm done arguing over fucking specs. From the video they were not high enough to be silent.

[Raivyn]

In response to Rhinox - the Apache was designed to fly extremely close to the ground to avoid radar detection. The 30mm on it has an effective range of over a mile.

[Rhinox]

In response to Rhinox - the Apache was designed to fly extremely close to the ground to avoid radar detection. The 30mm on it has an effective range of over a mile.

You can see a mile up. especially in an unindustrialized suburb.

Also you can hear as seen in the videos I posted them coming a mile awhile.

[Khajit]

The same reason you don't suddenly run away if you are high and see a cop. You just keep walking and act casual. Acting out of the ordinary is basically admitting guilt in these situations

I have nothing to comment on about OP, but just wanted to nit-pick this little bit

How fucking stupid does that mean they think the arab people are though?

If i was trying to shoot something down via ambush there is no way in hell I'd setup a rocket launcher right in front of the machine gun turret aimed at my head. The entire thing seems to assume that random people on the street can load and aim a rocket launcher faster with deadly accuracy on an inaccurate weapon than a bunch of marines with twitchy trigger fingers?
Before the first shots were fired was a prime time to ensure that there was even a gun or grenade on them. When i was watching the video i was surprised to see them shoot so quickly when a few more seconds and a zoom in while they had nothing nearby to shoot at would have confirmed everything.

[Raivyn]

You can see a mile up. especially in an unindustrialized suburb.

That's a mile outward not upward. I don't understand the ceiling spec mention as 21,000ft is *edit* just under 4 miles.

My only point is that I think it is likely they did not know it was there.

Disassociated from that - Your argument that they heard it and had nothing to hide is not sound. People do not walk around active zones brandishing weapons in Iraq while at the same time believing that U.S. forces are not going to identify them as at least a possible target. I think it is much more likely that they were in the area of a recent engagement and did not know that the attack helicopter was there. These people have seen what Apaches do and they don't just hang out with guns for no reason.

[Therin]

You can see a mile up. especially in an unindustrialized suburb.

Also you can hear as seen in the videos I posted them coming a mile awhile.

Would you like me to do some ballistics math to determine exactly how much straight line distance there was between the helicopter and the ground, from the time in which the shots were fired until they struck their intended targets?

If you knew anything about what you were talking about you'd realize that that Apache was REALLY high based on that fact alone.

[Meresgi]

The Ceiling on the apache is 21,000 feet.

Look I'm done arguing over fucking specs. From the video they were not high enough to be silent.

Have you flown an Apache in the past 5 years?