Feminists - A question.

[Ivve]

A war against insurgents != a war against a nation.

A war? Two wars, one of which was used to depose a country's leader and set up a style of government more to our liking. The advancements in technology since the days of our grandfathers and even our fathers have vastly changed war. The chances of us sending hundreds of thousands of troops to any location for any reason seems pretty slim to me. We much prefer to deploy technology and control it remotely when possible.

[Hank]

I say level bard. You can use it in any situation. And even if you hate it, it will certainly help you get merits for the job you ARE passionate about.

[Kuya]

Civil rights... for men? You're just calling him a pussy in a roundabout manner now.



Right-o, carry on.

Men are interesting, they generally don't seem to think they need a civil rights movement as men because they think they have more power than women. Alternatively, most seem to think that complaining about women sexually harassing them is a "bitch" thing to do. Very interesting.

Yes, i might have been calling him a pussy in a roundabout way, but i did not intend it. But i am pretty sure that senoska is not going to do anything other than complain about it, which is why it was easier to whine about feminists in the first place.

edit: i might have missed some form of sarcasm on your part though, because i took your post as serious

[Senoska]

Again, bullying a broken nation isn't exactly what I'm talking about. If we started some shit with China, or any semi-devolved country, you can expect a draft. Enlistment rates simply arent high enough. Only, what 1% of the population is on active duty? Technology or not, you need people to man the military. Why should I have something like a draft, however unlikely, hanging over my head and deemed a requirement of being a citizen of the country I live in, yet females are not? And this "Girls were raised with pink" shit is bull and you know it.

[Senoska]

Men are interesting, they generally don't seem to think they need a civil rights movement as men because they think they have more power than women. Alternatively, most seem to think that complaining about women sexually harassing them is a "bitch" thing to do. Very interesting.

Yes, i might have been calling him a pussy in a roundabout way, but i did not intend it. But i am pretty sure that senoska is not going to do anything other than complain about it, which is why it was easier to whine about feminists in the first place.

edit: i might have missed some form of sarcasm on your part though, because i took your post as serious

I cant say I'm really all that worried and whining is the wrong word. I am simply curious why things are the way they are. It's a little confusing to me. I'm pretty much posting for arguments sake here. It was a serious question, though.

[Kuya]

Feminism does not see men and women as "equal". They are different, feminism understands this. This however is not why feminists are not up in arms about not being eligible for the draft. Feminism is not about ignoring all differences between the genders and demanding that women be subject to everything men are. What feminism is generally fighting for choice. A woman's right to be able to make her own decisions about what she is and is not capable of being or doing. There's no reason anyone would ever argue for the right to be forced into doing something against their will, that is moronic, not feminist.

Alternatively, feminists only want equal rights when it makes sense. For example, what sense is there in men having a right to abortion?

But then again, there are also feminists who do think that women should not be allowed near porn or a burqua for instance.

[Cadsuane]

Men are interesting, they generally don't seem to think they need a civil rights movement as men because they think they have more power than women. Alternatively, most seem to think that complaining about women sexually harassing them is a "bitch" thing to do. Very interesting.

Yes, i might have been calling him a pussy in a roundabout way, but i did not intend it. But i am pretty sure that senoska is not going to do anything other than complain about it, which is why it was easier to whine about feminists in the first place.

edit: i might have missed some form of sarcasm on your part though, because i took your post as serious

You only missed that I was alluding to what you just said. But it is indeed interesting to ask whether men need advocation in the gender war.

[Stumblingdrunk]

I cant say I'm really all that worried and whining is the wrong word. I am simply curious why things are the way they are. It's a little confusing to me. I'm pretty much posting for arguments sake here. It was a serious question, though.

I answered your serious question, seriously. You should get over it.

[miokomioko]

So we Masculinists need to start our movement against Selective Service registration!

[Howard Roark]

Serious question:

Why are they not up in arms about not having to register for the draft in order to attend college?

I've always wondered. Help me out here.

Equal rights means equal rights. If you're not going to sign up for the draft, damn right I expect $0.20 more than you every hour.

Discuss.

am I misreading the OP, or do men have to enlist in the draft in order to attend college

[Stumblingdrunk]

am I misreading the OP, or do men have to enlist in the draft in order to attend college

to receive financial aid only.

[Ivve]

Did you not hear any of the other shit I said? The military does not want us. We are perceived as physically and mentally weaker, as people who have to take many more sick days and pregnancy-related leave days (which is just true based on statistics), and in reality are people who require many special accommodations because our needs vary from the needs of men. For example, Marines like to bunk multiple people to one room but cannot bunk men and women together and so they need to expend more resources (which are fucking scarce for them) to house women. There are a lot of sexual harassment and appropriateness in the workplace issues that take time to resolve or work out, and that's a goddamned hassle.

Regardless of all these things, the chances of us "starting some shit" with China or any other developed nation with its own standing army does not seem particularly likely to me either. At least not at this point in the world.

[miokomioko]

am I misreading the OP, or do men have to enlist in the draft in order to attend college

You will most likely not be able to function in any official way without being registered. I'm not certain if state university application is part of it, but any financial aid will most likely be stopped by lack of registry. Same goes for a lot of shit like bank accounts, insurance, licenses, etc.

[Ivve]

In essence, you are proposing a change that will serve to benefit absolutely no one simply so that your hurt feelings can be assuaged. This is a ridiculous idea.

[Kuya]

You only missed that I was alluding to what you just said. But it is indeed interesting to ask whether men need advocation in the gender war.

Well maybe the answer is obvious, but i do think men do need to advocate more strongly for themselves in the gender war, for example, paternity rights seems like an issue where men get royally screwed.

But honestly, who is going to advocate for men in the gender war? Feminists? lol

[Howard Roark]

so only people who can afford 25k+ a year for tuition (the rich) can go to college/not go to war?

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR

[Ivve]

Well maybe the answer is obvious, but i do think men do need to advocate more strongly for themselves in the gender war, for example, paternity rights seems like an issue where men get royally screwed.

But honestly, who is going to advocate for men in the gender war? Feminists? lol

I agree with this, actually. Men often do not seem to be protected as much by the law when it comes to things like marital property, child support, custody, etc. But this would require them actually organizing and doing something for themselves rather than just whining on the internet, and if you can't do it with porn on in the background, most of them won't do it at all.

[miokomioko]

My quick research states that the only things you become ineligible for when you fail to register are:

Financial Aid
U.S. Citizenship
Federal Job Training
Federal Employment

This is bullshit because I was disallowed to get a Class C driver's licence in California until I registered (I didn't need one until I was already 18). There's probably even more state things that get halted when your anti-patriotic red flag comes up. Social Security comes to mind, and I'm pretty sure about that one.

The only way around it is to apply to be a Conscientious Objector, which can be denied. http://www.sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm And it still can "draft" you into working in other services like hospitals, schools, senior homes, etc.

edit: 37 states currently restrict licenses from non-registrants.

[Ivve]

There may be provisions that vary by state. I'm surprised eligibility to vote isn't compromised.

[Cadsuane]

Well maybe the answer is obvious, but i do think men do need to advocate more strongly for themselves in the gender war, for example, paternity rights seems like an issue where men get royally screwed.

But honestly, who is going to advocate for men in the gender war? Feminists? lol

lol, srsly.

Well paternity rights are something alot of people can agree on, but the OP issue about the draft (something that might not be obvious) is sort of floating in limbo due to the well poisoning effect of bringing up feminism. Does a draft represent an infringement on men's rights/are men unfairly treated as a gender because they can hypothetically be called upon for mandatory military service?

Going to sleep, you guys have fun with that.