What's better? (Comparing CPU Parts)

[SaviorSelf]

Could possibly sticky this perhaps?

GTX 285 vs Fermi 470, what's better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814500157

[Deadgye]

5850

[SaviorSelf]

Aion hates ATI.

[shiarua]

470 will win hands down.

DX11 and Tessellation.

The GTX470 has 448 Stream Processors. The GTX285 only has 240. Clock speed is not a good comparison between these two cards. Also, the GTX470 has GDDR5 while the GTX285 only has GDDR3

[SaviorSelf]

What is there to consider as to which is better?

Just looking at some side by side comparisons between the two:

GTX-285
Core Clock 666MHz
Shader Clock 1512MHz
Stream Processors 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock 2484 MHz
Memory Size 1GB
Memory Interface 512 bit
GDDR3

Fermi 470
Core Clock 607 MHz
Shader Clock 1215 MHz
Stream Processors 448 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock 3348 MHz
Memory Size 1280MB
Memory Interface 320 bit
GDDR5

[Tythera]

Aion hates ATI.

How so? I never ran into any problems with a 4870X2. Is it just low FPS or are people experiencing other problems? I might not have played long enough to run into the problems because I quit after three months (horrible game is horrible).

As far as those cards go, if you go by benchmarks the 470 beats the 285 fairly universally across the board.

http://anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidi...th-the-wait-/9

[killerc4]

Aion works very good on the 5800 cards, haven't had a problem. I would get the 5850 or 5870 over those cards but if you're dead set on nvidia you might as well get the dx11 card.

[SaviorSelf]

Just based on what I've seen and read, Aion doesn't handle ATI cards well. Saw this video (linked below) of a GTX275 at forts and barely lagging, so might as wel aim for what he has. Not really sure how the 5870 compares but that was my original choice...

http://images.trustedreviews.com/ima...comparison.gif

What numbers above are the ones to look out for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um64V...eature=related

Edit: Looking over some of the charts, it seems the 5870 and 470 are pretty close, except the 470's minimum frame rate is much higher?

[Deadgye]

The 5850 has the same performance as the 470, except it's cheaper, consumes less power, and outputs less heat.

[Olo401]

Aion hates ATI.

That's BS.. I ran Aion for months on a 4870 without a hitch.

What is there to consider as to which is better?

Just looking at some side by side comparisons between the two:

GTX-285
Core Clock 666MHz
Shader Clock 1512MHz
Stream Processors 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock 2484 MHz
Memory Size 1GB
Memory Interface 512 bit GDDR3

Fermi 470
Core Clock 607 MHz
Shader Clock 1215 MHz
Stream Processors 448 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock 3348 MHz
Memory Size 1280MB
Memory Interface 320 bit GDDR5

These are some of the factors that make the GTX470 a faster/better card than the GTX285. However the two main factors which aren't mentioned are the new GF100 GPU core (the first truly new GPU from NVidia since the GeForce 8 series) and the change from a 55nm to 45nm manufacturing process.

[SaviorSelf]

Well then on that note of stream processors, the 5870 has almost 4 times as many, and only 200~ less in memory...

[shiarua]

The 5000 series has a very different architecture than the GT200/400 series.

nVidia uses "CUDA" cores, which are much better than ATIs stream processors.

You cannot compare the 5870 to the GTX470 in that aspect because they use different architectures.

[SaviorSelf]

I hate when answers aren't clear cut in stone. D:

Was going to head out in 4 hours to buy a new card, but I'm not sure which would give the best results given the price...

I have Aion running on 1920x1200, but my current card (ATI X1950 Crossfire Edition) can't handle it at all. Whenever someone from the other side comes onto my screen, I freeze up for either a few seconds, and then FPS drops to like, 4. Or else it just freezes up altogether when there is more than one and pretty much crashes.

[killerc4]

I played aion on the 5870 for awhile and it had no problems. At 1920x1200 resolution a 5850 or 5870 would be more than enough for whatever game you're running.

Also if you're running a x1950 you may want to check power requirements. The gtx 470 you were looking at before is pretty power hungry. Make sure you have the power supply for it. Also in sieges and situations where there are many models on screen you're gonna need a decent cpu to backup the card.

Just saying don't go spending 350$+ if the rest of your pc is going to bottleneck it.

There's nothing wrong with the Fermi cards really, the reason people are suggesting the ATI cards is that they are much less power hungry and they're the best bang for your buck.

[SaviorSelf]

Currently running: (Poor copy pasta)

Feature Specification
Processor Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core processor with VT

* Each core operates at 2.40 GHz
* 2 × 4 MB L2 cache
* 1066 MHz front bus

Chipset Intel 975X
Memory Installed: 2048 MB DDR2, 667 MHz, (PC2-5300) dual channel memory (two 1024 MB DIMMs)

Hard Drive 500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA II hard drive

Video ATI Radeon X1950 CrossFire video card with 512 MB graphics memory

* Included CrossFire cable enables dual card configurations
* Ports: Dual DVI-I ports with HDCP via cable (VGA via adapter)

Audio Integrated Intel 8-Channel (7.1) High Definition Audio

Add-In Card Slots One PCI Express ×16
One PCI Express ×1
Three PCI conventional

Edited out the garbage.

As you can see, this mobo only has PCI Express 1.0. How bad will it be bottlenecked? I'm buying parts individually as money comes in each day, so it's all going to temporarily revolve around this.

[killerc4]

cpu looks fine, I would grab 2 more gigs of ram since ram is super cheap now. edit: psu looks like it should be plenty too

[Don Katsu]

As you can see, this mobo only has PCI Express 1.0. How bad will it be bottlenecked? I'm buying parts individually as money comes in each day, so it's all going to temporarily revolve around this.

About 10% performance decrease if even that.

What operating system are you running?

If you're running a 64BIT operating system I would recommend you get at least 2 more gigs of RAM. If it's 32BIT get another 1GB..

As for the video card, you can get a 4850 for around $69.99 these days and you will notice a huge difference

[SaviorSelf]

This is only temporary, but this is what I'm looking at and looking to buy soon.

Case: HAF 932
Mobo: i7 930 - $200 at Microcenter.
RAM: OCZ 6GB Triple Channel DDR3-1600
GPU: XFX Radeon 5870
HDD: 40GB Intel SSD | 3 500GB WD for everything else divided.
Heatsink: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7
PSU: Corsair 750 Watt
Mobo: EVGA X58 SLI LE LGA 1366 X58 ATX Motherboard

How's that look? Had preference for Microcenter since the prices were similar/sometimes less than NewEgg, and if anything is wrong I can just bring it back in person without having to deal with shipping it back and all that nonsense.

Edit: I linked my computers specs above. Looking to sell it to fund the last few pieces of the above build? Probably gonna just toss it on craigslist or something, but how much do you think I could get for it?

[killerc4]

looks good, I have that motherboard the only con is that it takes awhile to post. Why the 3 storage drives though? You could just grab a 1tb or a 1.5. Unless you plan to raid them? Maybe get a 1tb drive and upgrade yourself to a 80gb ssd.

I have an intel g2 80gb ssd and I filled it up so fast (I could only fit 2 games at a time) that I ended up getting a second one to raid with. Pc games are getting pretty large, with a 40gb you'll find that you won't have much room for anything other than your os and 1 or 2 games.

[nitsuj]

This is only temporary, but this is what I'm looking at and looking to buy soon.

Case: HAF 932
Mobo: i7 930 - $200 at Microcenter.
RAM: OCZ 6GB Triple Channel DDR3-1600
GPU: XFX Radeon 5870
HDD: 40GB Intel SSD | 3 500GB WD for everything else divided.
Heatsink: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7
PSU: Corsair 750 Watt
Mobo: EVGA X58 SLI LE LGA 1366 X58 ATX Motherboard

How's that look? Had preference for Microcenter since the prices were similar/sometimes less than NewEgg, and if anything is wrong I can just bring it back in person without having to deal with shipping it back and all that nonsense.

Edit: I linked my computers specs above. Looking to sell it to fund the last few pieces of the above build? Probably gonna just toss it on craigslist or something, but how much do you think I could get for it?

My best recommendations (and I just built my computer)

Corsair is a great PSU but go with the 850 Modular (don't think the 750 is) because I already regreat that
Don't buy the 40GB SSD if you plan on actually using the computer. I have the 80GB G2 and after FFXI and FFXIV both being on the SSD I have 14 GB left. Unless you're really ok having all your stuff installed to the D: drive, which I'm not. I figure if I have that much shit installed I need to uninstall something

I'm already going to upgrade my 750 PSU and my 80GB SSD after 2 month, so I suggest you consider buying higher the first time around (or just buy my used ones )