Gimp/Confused/WTF Player Thread XVIII: Why the Fuck Are You Meleeing?

[noodles355]

Well, here's the problem. Why would you specific Minuet macros with LESS skill gear than say, March or Madrigal macros

Because swapping in +skill gear when you don't need it, replacing your pdt or MP+ gear is stupid.

Also, I don't understand "When you find where I posted that skill is used for debuffing, I'll bite. Until then, I'm still here.". What are you trying to say?

[Foxer]

Because swapping in +skill gear when you don't need it, replacing your pdt or MP+ gear is stupid.

Also, I don't understand "When you find where I posted that skill is used for debuffing, I'll bite. Until then, I'm still here.". What are you trying to say?

Saying I never mentioned skill being used for debuffs, invalidating you 5 CHR > 1 skill for debuffs comment.

I didn't understand your first comment. Are you saying it's more important to swap to PDT/MP gear solely while singing minuet? Because by the time you sing the very next song, you'll lose all your MP you never gained in the first place unless you rest every 2 minutes. PDT I can understand though. Still hard to believe someone does this solely for Minuet, simply because that's the one frequently used song that requires less than any of the others.

Do you really believe people do that? :3

[noodles355]

Saying I never mentioned skill being used for debuffs, invalidating you 5 CHR > 1 skill for debuffs comment.

I didn't understand your first comment. Are you saying it's more important to swap to PDT/MP gear solely while singing minuet? Because by the time you sing the very next song, you'll lose all your MP you never gained in the first place unless you rest every 2 minutes. PDT I can understand though. Still hard to believe someone does this solely for Minuet, simply because that's the one frequently used song that requires less than any of the others.

Do you really believe people do that? :3

So if you don't think skill is useful for debuffs, how can you possibly suggest Demon Helm +1 over Relic Hat? You've really confused me.

Who said swapping MP+ or pdt gear in? There's a difference between swapping it in and just not swapping it out.

I guess I'll also have to take the time to explain to you that "you'll swap out the MP later on your next song" is also incorrect. If you're singing Minuet4, your 2nd song for melee will be Minuet3, which requires no skill gear either.

Furthermore, if you're /Whm, whether you're singing minuets or marches, you'll be ballading the mage in your party too, letting you put ballads on yourself, which along with Idle refresh (you do idle in a refresh piece right?) means you will regain that MP back you lost in your march set whilst idling = free MP for cures/nas/whatever.

I thought that all was obvious...

[Massimo]

So if you don't think skill is useful for debuffs, how can you possibly suggest Demon Helm +1 over Relic Hat? You've really confused me..

Relic = Debuff

Demon +1 = Buff

[Hyriu]

Inventory +1 is better than 1 fucking skill, fuck that shit, especially if it doesn't push you past a tier.

lol

[Massimo]

I'm aware, but I'm sick of seeing those two idiots not understanding what the fuck the other one is saying.

[Cymmina]

For what it's worth, his posted gearset is only +43 skill. That's 6 short of hitting 11% Victory March. So a second Nereid and Minstrel's Coat would put him there (or just a Chanter's Staff to save inventory). I'm not sure that missing a couple pieces justifies the "lolgimp" comment (though they are a lot easier to get than AF+1, which he does have).

[Midnightjade]

Most good BRDs I know, the full +Skill set just comes comes in midcast for March. Start in -SST, finish in +Skill, then back to Idle. Idle includes -PDT and whatever else suits the event. -PDT set includes Terra's Staff, as illustrated in that screenshot.

Honestly, bitching about not seeing a full +Skill set in what is clearly an Idle shot is ephemeral and a waste of time.

[Buttons]

Wow this argument is STILL going on? *scratches head* Still don't see anything wrong with the screenshot and I am nitpicky when it comes to BRD gear. Just looks like a normal Elegy set to me.

And as for having a specific Minuet set I know no other Bard apart from myself who has one. But I myself just put in the 12 skill and fill the rest with -PDT or Haste or whatever else I need. Am often in charge of Minuets in Einherjar so my Minuet Set uses -PDT gear, Turban and Haidate so I can quickly rotate around and buff. Wouldn't see the sense in doing Minuets in full skill in a situation where I know AoEs will be knocking me around like a pingpong ball, hence stuff like Terras Staff and -PDT cape.

And since you mentioned Idle sets from the SS it looks like a merit camp, so that BRD would be /NIN. So an Idle Set wouldn't do too much apart from Regen but when you are meriting you don't usually even use your Idle set since you just run around, buff and grab birds. When doing events I use proper sets for everything, debuffs, idle, minuet, skill set for madrigal and marches and ballad set with -PDT and a harp depending on the situation. But for fast paced meriting you really don't need all of that.

[Dooom]

So there I am in Cape Terrigan burning my exp ring on FoV before dynamis, and I see this.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4...0419165309.jpg

Nothing too unusual, right? I mean sure, AF legs and Amir boots is kinda blah, but nothing *too* awful for someone soloing, right?

Then I check their bazaar.

Spoiler: show

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/961...0419165313.jpg

[DAKPluto]

Priorities!

[Chen]

don't mean to alarm you dooom, but nix is following you

[Midnightjade]

And as for having a specific Minuet set I know no other Bard apart from myself who has one. But I myself just put in the 12 skill and fill the rest with -PDT or Haste or whatever else I need.

Hmm, this is a good idea, I for one am guilty of too much +Skill in my Minuet set. I have a 'base' +Skill set, and then an 'addon' +Skill set that takes my March tier to 116/1024. I'll set up a separate 'minimal' set for Minuet when I get home.

Thanks!

[Buttons]

Hmm, this is a good idea, I for one am guilty of too much +Skill in my Minuet set. I have a 'base' +Skill set, and then an 'addon' +Skill set that takes my March tier to 116/1024. I'll set up a separate 'minimal' set for Minuet when I get home.

Thanks!

Glad I gave someone an idea. :D My Ballad set is also similar to my Minuet Set. Lately I've also put Sha'ir Gloves in to lower recast even more on top of the -PDT. While it was not really that needed I have found that on mostly any songs such as minuet or ballad the recast can never be short enough since I often get paralyzed in Einherjar and then can just redo the song a few seconds later without messing up the BRD rotation.

I never intended to have so many different sets but one day I just sat down and took a look at how i could optimize most of my sets and replace stuff that so many BRDs fulltime like Jester's Cape+1 or Gleeman's Belt but dont actually do much in a buffing set. ^^ They have their place in a debuff set but I enjoy using a -PDT backpiece and my swift belt for singing. (Although I'd love to get that new Marching Belt for my singing set. *__*)

[Dooom]

While it was not really that needed I have found that even on low recasts such as minuet or ballad they can never be short enough since I often get paralyzed in Einherjar and then can just redo the song a few seconds later without messing up the BRD rotation.

Just a small point, but if a spell becomes paralyzed on casting, isn't the recast time fixed/the same for all spells? I know it's not full recast duration, I think it's about 2s, so while you've got the right idea in replacing excess skill with -recast, it's not helping when the song is paralyzed. Just a small point!

[Buttons]

Just a small point, but if a spell becomes paralyzed on casting, isn't the recast time fixed/the same for all spells? I know it's not full recast duration, I think it's about 2s, so while you've got the right idea in replacing excess skill with -recast, it's not helping when the song is paralyzed. Just a small point!

Oooh I didn't know that. Will have to test that out sometime, thanks. :D

[johnboy]

Also Demon Helm +1 over Relic?

1) You call that not notpicking?

2) I'd take 5 Chr over 1Skill for debuffs anyway.

I'll agree, if i put on skill set (555 skill) i can't land shit anywhere near as easy on HNM as with my elegy set (changing staves ofc), which has roughly 30 less skill but about 25 more CHR, numbers might be slightly out, to lazy to check.

[noodles355]

Wow this argument is STILL going on? *scratches head* Still don't see anything wrong with the screenshot and I am nitpicky when it comes to BRD gear. Just looks like a normal Elegy set to me.

And as for having a specific Minuet set I know no other Bard apart from myself who has one. But I myself just put in the 12 skill and fill the rest with -PDT or Haste or whatever else I need.

I used to, but I have some wind/sing merits so I hit the cap naked.
I do have different Mad and march sets though, as I don't need Coat or Chanter's in Mad to cap.

Either way there's no point swapping in shit if you don't need it. Needlessly dropping your MP if /Whm or losing PDT things if /Nin (Eg holding a mob with shadows whilst you buff instead of sleeping).

Maybe I should just post my brd sets in the gear thread.

[Cream Soda]

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[Wakabo]

Looks like he is leading a dynamis shell and taking the goodies for himself