Gimp/Confused/WTF Player Thread XVIII: Why the Fuck Are You Meleeing?

[Senjiow]

Prob his resting set, id assume.

You would be correct.

[Milkster]

resting in full yigit is fucking hilarious

^. Pretty much mixing and matching would yield far greater results.

[Genrye]

You would be correct.

/convo

[Despain]

Genrye is the greatest troll.

[Senjiow]

/convo

It's also a PL account, if you want to rip me apart, do it on Senj.

[Shenrien]

It's also a PL account, if you want to rip me apart, do it on Senj.

http://www.jordaneavis.com/pub/there...e-fuck-out.jpg

[Baelorn]

Full yigit isn't that bad.

[Yubar]

Didn't someone on Random Question post that full yigit was good for one minute and forty seconds before full Hmp would turn out to be better, and there was even a chart or something?

[Despain]

Didn't someone on Random Question post that full yigit was good for one minute and forty seconds before full Hmp would turn out to be better, and there was even a chart or something?

If this is true, then rofl.

[Baelorn]

Didn't someone on Random Question post that full yigit was good for one minute and forty seconds before full Hmp would turn out to be better, and there was even a chart or something?

Full Yigit is 11.3/tic inc the refresh according to http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2517492.

That's not hard to beat but I think you need ZNM or Nyzul drops to do it.

[Thorny]

Yigit: 8 hmp + refresh

if you really want the refresh, use:

mirror tiara or goliard depending on job, dchap for rdm
dalmatica
oracle's gloves or genie gages depending on job
yigit seraweels
goliard clogs
=8 hmp + refresh if job can only use genie gages and goliard, with more mp than full yigit
=10 hmp + refresh if job can use oracles and mirror

Over time, 1 refresh amounts to 3.3 hmp so it's best to swap to mahatma/oracles right before first resting tick goes off.

None of these items are hard to get, if my mule can get them so can you. Scholar does not get a refresh body, but they can still rest in ixion until a second before first click for the same effect. They also have af1 hat if stoneskin/sub are up, which is an excellent resting piece.

[Meian]

None of these items are hard to get.

I love this phrase really. It isn't so much as difficulty but time consuming and if you have the resources for it (people time etc maybe gil if you want to go that route).

I asked prolly less than a month ago about Hmp set for my SMN and WHM over Yigit since I was using that at the time, which is still good but there ARE better alternatives. Considering most people I see only use dark staff and maybe errant and hierarch, it is better than what a majority of mages I've seen have.

Currently using this until I can get Oracle hands:

Main: Pluto's Staff
Grip: Ariesian Grip
Head: Mirror Tiara (not hard to get? Need some a BST friend(s), which I luckly had after 10 kills)
Neck: Beak Necklace +1
Ear 2: Antivenom Earring (organ refuses to drop for Relaxing Earring and takes a lot of time already solo + long respawn)
Body: Errant
Waist: Qiqirin +1
Legs: Yigit (no Oracles, same hmp anyway)
Feet: Goliard


+29 hmp vs my Yigit set previously +21 hmp-ish

Good improvement but no need to bad mouth Yigit set

Edit: I'll post a confused pic in a bit to make up for this derail

[ZhiGaruda]

I think what you are forgetting is, Yigit doesn't come cheap. You have to assault to get it, a LOT. So it's either like, 30-40 salvage runs, or full Yigit.

It's a lot easier to get better resting gear than full Yigit. And if you look at it in terms of selling assault point items, monetarily more responsible, as well.

Edit: Didn't know how many assault points they cost..wow. 66 runs

[Meian]

I think what you are forgetting is, Yigit doesn't come cheap. You have to assault to get it, a LOT. So it's either like, 30-40 salvage runs, or full Yigit.

It's a lot easier to get better resting gear than full Yigit. And if you look at it in terms of selling assault point items, monetarily more responsible, as well.

Edit: Didn't know how many assault points they cost..wow. 66 runs

As opposed to what, taking pictures after pictures and finding people to fight tier 3 for oracles let alone the previous tiers (easier I know as opposed to t3) vs a few people for assaults (which everyone always does) for a few minutes per run. Salvage... well, that is up to you really but I doubt they would've wanted all the pieces of Yigit to begin with if they were going for something like Morrigan's body.

Heck, it is easier to find people for assault than a BST for Mirror Tiara.

Anyway, as promised here:



His gear, better than most but the Askar thing makes him confused hmm? I would like it if someone can explain to me mathematically how much more 1% Haste does. I read it once on KI somewhere but it was a really old topic so I don't know how much validity it holds today since no one agreed or disproved him.


In case I'm wrong about the above, I'll throw this here too


One of those cases where you can have the gear but not the knowledge. Can't find the SS of his gear but it is better than most SMN if I remember right.

[ZhiGaruda]

A good thing to note here is that Mirror Tiara isn't R/E, and is under 500k on most servers. If you can't make more than 500k in the amount of time it takes to earn 100,000 assault points, you have a more complex issue to handle than I can help with.

[Genrye]

The moral of the story is: This guy was gimp confused and wtf, and krab didnt even drop a ring. it will be a cold day in hell when i sell one for 30k.

[Raen Ryong]

I would like it if someone can explain to me mathematically how much more 1% Haste does.

1% Haste compared to no other stat increases your damage by

100/(100 - (x + 1))

where x is your old value of haste. It's an 100 on the numerator because I'm giving it you as a percentage straight out; change to 1 if you want a decimal.

[rabidmuskrat]

I got this formula out of a thread here one time and use it from time to time when evaluating gear choices as far as accuracy goes. X represents the accuracy equivalent in overall damage to the difference in haste. All figures use whole numbers.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...29+solve+for+x

The main argument I hear for askar head over turban is the benefit towards a dex based crit build while still granting a hefty amount of haste. If you can hit the point where ~1 dex = +1% crit then possibly the dex and str could outperform the 1% haste.

[noodles355]

I think what you are forgetting is, Yigit doesn't come cheap. You have to assault to get it, a LOT. So it's either like, 30-40 salvage runs, or full Yigit.

It's a lot easier to get better resting gear than full Yigit. And if you look at it in terms of selling assault point items, monetarily more responsible, as well.

Edit: Didn't know how many assault points they cost..wow. 66 runs

Don't forget that assault came out a long time befor salvage. Most people I know with full yigit got it befor salvage was released.

[ZhiGaruda]

I got this formula out of a thread here one time and use it from time to time when evaluating gear choices as far as accuracy goes. X represents the accuracy equivalent in overall damage to the difference in haste. All figures use whole numbers.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...29+solve+for+x

The main argument I hear for askar head over turban is the benefit towards a dex based crit build while still granting a hefty amount of haste. If you can hit the point where ~1 dex = +1% crit then possibly the dex and str could outperform the 1% haste.

Get out. The only reasonable places for Askar head is when it will make you hit +27% haste using Turban, IE some kind of stupid situation like SAM/DRG with a VBelt and stuff, and a WAR using Rune Chopper.