Random Question Thread IX: Mathology 101

[Yugl]

Well...

Well played, but I'm just bitching about the lack opportunity to take advantage of this fact.

- No skill for most of the weapons makes versatility pretty "meh"
- Haste is really the only effect worth taking advantage of and only briefly
- Rune Arrow is nice, but for PS2 users, it will probably kill 8-16MP per nuke
- More bitching

[FailureMidgard]

Why does SCH have access to all Rune weapons? Is there anything nifty someone can come up with for usage beyond the Haste on the Axe? What spells might a SCH need 22% Haste for besides Drain and Aspir (Since you obviously want Pluto's Staff in those cases)?

klimaform

[Thorny]

- Rune Arrow is nice, but for PS2 users, it will probably kill 8-16MP per nuke

you meant bow, and the int/mab are augments.. it's just useful because it's an augmentable ranged sch and blm can wear

and it doesn't use mp unless you engage

[Yugl]

klimaform

I suppose, although, I rarely use that spell personally (If I did Wyrms I would though).

you meant bow, and the int/mab are augments.. it's just useful because it's an augmentable ranged sch and blm can wear

and it doesn't use mp unless you engage

I wasn't aware of the engage condition, thanks.

[Manf]

Does Proto-Ultima take full damage from atonement?

[Samonez]

what are some good options for the ASA pants for BLU, besides 7 Accuracy and 3% haste?

[Nightfyre]

Movement/PDT if you don't have Wlegs, cure potency (also potentially paired with movement+ if no wlegs), that's about it. Not a lot there for BLU.

[Draylo]

what are some good options for the ASA pants for BLU, besides 7 Accuracy and 3% haste?

Could have a nice -pdt peice, -4% PDT and If you don't have w legs could do movement boost until you get or haste if already have.

Macc+4 Matk+4 for a nice nuking piece.

Acc+7 atk+7 or crit+3% for vorpal is also decent.

[Nightfyre]

Even Errant legs would do more for your nukes.

[Yugl]

Could have a nice -pdt peice, -4% PDT and If you don't have w legs could do movement boost until you get or haste if already have.

PDT+Movement if no Crimson legs -- save otherwise.

Macc+4 Matk+4 for a nice nuking piece.

No. Stats for BLU spells are essentially equivalent to MAB as far as damage boosting is concerned and they offer magic ACC. By making this pair of pants, you're essentially opting for 4INT/MND/CHR pants.

Acc+7 atk+7 or crit+3% for vorpal is also decent.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have difficulty reaching any decent level of dDEX to make Vorpal Blade worth stacking critical hit and DEX pieces.

[Draylo]

No. Stats for BLU spells are essentially equivalent to MAB as far as damage boosting is concerned and they offer magic ACC. By making this pair of pants, you're essentially opting for 4INT/MND/CHR pants.

Eh I generally feel matk better to have for magic hammer for the most part. Other spells also effected by MATK, if nothing else its a viable peice.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have difficulty reaching any decent level of dDEX to make Vorpal Blade worth stacking critical hit and DEX pieces.

Bit tired, acc+7 atk+7 still decent for vorpal.

[Yugl]

Eh I generally feel matk better to have for magic hammer for the most part. Other spells also effected by MATK, if nothing else its a viable peice.

The leg piece offers MAB, not Magic ATT (Unless Wiki is wrong).

Bit tired, acc+7 atk+7 still decent for vorpal.

Get Enkidu and save the pants for some other class that may need them in the future.

[Draylo]

The leg piece offers MAB, not Magic ATT (Unless Wiki is wrong).

Uh what?

Get Enkidu and save the pants for some other class that may need them in the future.

I would argue its better than enkidu pants.

[rog]

The leg piece offers MAB, not Magic ATT (Unless Wiki is wrong).

You best be trolling.

[Yugl]

Uh what?

You said Magic ATT affects Magic Hammer as well, which insinuates that something does not. I can interpret that as you suggesting no stat affects it (MND does) or as you suggesting Magic ATT affects it but Magic ATT Bonus (MAB) does not. If it's the former, MND provides magic ACC and DMG similar to MAB, but you get more of it from Errant/Mahats. If it's the latter, I'm saying that the leg piece receives MAB augments not Magic ATT augments (Which convergence gives).

I would argue its better than enkidu pants.

Similar to the Kubira v Torque argument earlier, Enkidu will win provided your ACC is capped (Should not be that much of an issue either). Four STR from Enkidu is 1fSTR no matter what. It also adds to the MOD for Vorpal Blade. It also provides 2ATT. If you have 7ATT on the piece, it's a comparison of:

Enkidu
1fSTR
30% STR MOD

ASA Pants
5ATT

Even though BLU typically has suboptimal ATT, Enkidu will win.

[rog]

You do realize that magic attack, and mab is the same thing, yes?

[Draylo]

You said Magic ATT affects Magic Hammer as well, which insinuates that something does not. I can interpret that as you suggesting no stat affects it (MND does) or as you suggesting Magic ATT affects it but Magic ATT Bonus (MAB) does not. If it's the former, MND provides magic ACC and DMG similar to MAB, but you get more of it from Errant/Mahats. If it's the latter, I'm saying that the leg piece receives MAB augments not Magic ATT augments (Which convergence gives).

I meant it as I feel MAB(MATK, same thing..) does more for magic hammer than pure stat. I know MND is it's mod.

Similar to the Kubira v Torque argument earlier, Enkidu will win provided your ACC is capped (Should not be that much of an issue either). Four STR from Enkidu is 1fSTR no matter what. It also adds to the MOD for Vorpal Blade. It also provides 2ATT. If you have 7ATT on the piece, it's a comparison of:

Enkidu
1fSTR
30% STR MOD

ASA Pants
5ATT

Even though BLU typically has suboptimal ATT, Enkidu will win.

The 7 acc would allow you to free up some acc on another slot to enhance it.

[Yugl]

You do realize that magic attack, and mab is the same thing, yes?

Perhaps when used by uninformed individuals, it is. However, since the introduction of convergence, it's important to make a distinction between Magic ATT, which affects adds damage to Breath Spells and functions as a direct "percentage increase", and MAB, which does not affect Breath Spells and is subject to reduction through MDB.

Edit: Show me where you would free up ACC that you could not without it. Then show that the combination beats any combination including Enkidu Legs.

[Draylo]

Eh nevermind I am like half asleep atm lol. I assumed the pants were the mage ones and had +5 stat for some reason... Yeah -pdt and movespeed if no w legs is best bet, however I wouldn't use the augment for BLU if you have other jobs you use that can benefit from it more.

[Aero]

Does MNK need to get 26% haste gear in order to max out haste? If I recall correctly it was shown that items with greater than 6% haste act differently than those that are less than 6.
Just trying to figure out if Tiercel Necklace is something I should be looking at in high ACC settings.