Random Question Thread IX: Mathology 101

[Dooom]

What does a decent DNC set up look like?

I assume they need TP, WS, Step and Waltz builds?

Anything else?

Depends what you plan on using dnc for. Aside from being a really potent support job for melee pts, it's also a pretty good soloer, so if you plan on going down that route then an evasion set might be worth building. I'd also make at least two different TP sets, for mobs with different evasions (thinking for stuff like thf mobs at MMJSP and in dynamis and einherjar here, or for the embarrassing times where you run out of sushi on birds), though this can depend on what you have available to you (thinking of stuff like ACP body and MKDE hat here). What ronin posted is the same kind of stuff I'll be aiming to have when I ding 75, though, minus swapping some high-end pieces for mid-tier stuff (like Setanta's -> Dusk, etc.)

[Byrthnoth]

So, about Step Accuracy. From experience, it seems to me that how many Quicksteps I have on the monster matters, and it seems that Quickstep accuracy is uncapped sometimes even when my melee hit rate is capped. However, and my sample size for this is probably only ~10, I found that Flash had no noticeable impact on my step accuracy when I was killing PLD Antica with a Sword at level 53ish in Western Altepa. I don't think I missed one with Flash on, which isn't very probable if Flash was dropping me to a 20% hit rate.

Also, the new Magian daggers have pretty much ended the DNC dagger debate. The DEX+4/Acc+8 dagger is awesome for main hand, the multi-proc one is awesome for off-hand.

[Valkrish]

Fixing my question:

removed all items except the moghancement: Money
Since it is dark-based, would putting in a Panetiere keep my moghancement? ~

Let's find out.

Unfortunately this is unpossible!

not enough elemental strength (9 'money) to counter the Panetiere's dark power (which is unknown)--

Next time they do buffalo i can get more money power~ and the soonest i can get ~+30 is next Easter :\

[DAKPluto]

When blinded, how does it factor in to your accuracy. Is it part of the formula to calculate your accuracy, or is it a straight cut after the formula?

[Argettio]

Depends what you plan on using dnc for.

I don't know, I was thinking of doing another job, DNC and COR came to mind. I know how to gear COR reasonably well but didn't have a clue about DNC (all I could think was 2 Dusk + 2 Relics + Turban seemed ok for TP).

That or I just say nuts to it and level WAR (or pray SE gives DRK something to make them a viable DD outside zergs).

[Raen Ryong]

You mean make them a viable DD in the eyes of the populace they're still very viable!

[rog]

When blinded, how does it factor in to your accuracy. Is it part of the formula to calculate your accuracy, or is it a straight cut after the formula?

It's a straight cut in accuracy.

It is supposed to be synergy. Its an error caused by FFXI style icons iirc.

Any old ui dat will do it, but yeah.

[ringthree]

How do you calculate the second hit of a single-hit WS with a double attack proc?

[Karbuncle]

Whats a good Weaponskill set for Howling Fist / Dragon Kick for MNK @ 71?

I got a good Asuran build with Acc/Atk focus, but i'm having a hard time deciding on the aboves build.

any suggestions ?

[Byrthnoth]

How do you calculate the second hit of a single-hit WS with a double attack proc?

You add 1 fTP to the previous fTP. So if you were WSing with 1.99 fTP, the new fTP would be 2.99 because additional hits have an fTP of 1. If you want to find your average fTP, it'll be the accuracy of the second hit (no accuracy boost) * 1 + the fTP without a double attack. It is unclear to me whether Gekko's Attack boost transfers to the second hit in such a case, though people have claimed it does.

[Thorny]

Also, the new Magian daggers have pretty much ended the DNC dagger debate. The DEX+4/Acc+8 dagger is awesome for main hand, the multi-proc one is awesome for off-hand.

I'd argue for the impairs evasion/defense dagger over the dex/acc one, as the job is mostly support and can use sushi. Removing the harsh requirement of using a single-hit offhand or dropping acc for joyeuse freed up a lot of options and +10 acc for everyone engaged ~60% of the time easily beats +10 acc for yourself. Obviously the impairs defense one would be used if accuracy is easily capped.

[ringthree]

You add 1 fTP to the previous fTP. So if you were WSing with 1.99 fTP, the new fTP would be 2.99 because additional hits have an fTP of 1. If you want to find your average fTP, it'll be the accuracy of the second hit (no accuracy boost) * 1 + the fTP without a double attack. It is unclear to me whether Gekko's Attack boost transfers to the second hit in such a case, though people have claimed it does.

I am confused as to how people figured this out.

[hezzel]

re: 5F Zhayolm Remnants Frog.

this is more of an academic question, so didn't want to necro the ZR thread. normally, when getting to the madame, we have our thf flee > run around the gears > group runs to bottom of the stairs > thf 2hrs and /logout or dies at the top of the stairs.

what are some alternate methods of doing this? it would seem there are too many gears to kill them efficiently, but it would be nice to have room for the mages to be out of range of charm. we hobaku and shoulder tackle to the best of our abilities, but sometimes charm goes off anyways or we're too late/no tp. on 2/3/6F, the mages simply kite us and nuke, but there isn't room on 5F with our method.

edit: our group is normally mnk(me), sam, thf, rdm, whm, brd.

thanks!

have THF use powderboots > run in aggro all gears and run back into room you zoned up into. remove flee icon and pop normal flee once gears comes into room, flee back to where rest are and all gears should deaggro and no one dies.

[Vodou]

I am confused as to how people figured this out.

Which part?

I think I understand this, but looking forward to some corrections from other posters.

I'm assuming its due to the fact that you can miss the first hit of a 1-hit WS and then DA the second. From there, it's just a matter of calculating how the damage was determined.

I think whether you can determine that it's an ftp of only 1 would only take having a capped attack mob.

Determining if its subject to a hidden bonus effect as some WS have would take an uncapped mob and high damage.

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

Joyeuse is faster with Rajas/Brutal. Are you referring to situations where you're single-wielding on BLU or as part of a DW setup?

It was for a DW setup on blu, ty for the info!

[DragonReborn]

I just have question about what polearms a sam should use on the birds under level 65.

[Villian]

How much racc do pot-au-feu gives? I know it's lesser than squid sushi but it's noticeable still.

[Xera]

Has there been any conclusion on what exactly the Third Eye enhancement is on Kogarasumaru?

[Valkrish]

Does money moghancement actually work with gilfinder?

Or is there not enough 'power' to see it proc that often.

[Vodou]

How much racc do pot-au-feu gives? I know it's lesser than squid sushi but it's noticeable still.

How do you know that? Moreover, how do you know how much squid sushi has? I haven't seen tests of either, although by experience I know they both do provide racc.