Random Question Thread IX: Mathology 101

[Dooom]

Does anyone know where Qutrubs pop in Arrapago Reef? I need to kill 200 of them, and I'd rather stay away from the VT ones outside Dvucca if possible.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...&postcount=306

asked and answered four pages ago. No, I haven't been out to verify it myself, been teaming up with friends to take down Dvucca ones.

[Thorny]

I would say the deciding factor is whether or not they can keep it stunned long enough and reliably enough to not let Byakko swing, because when he gets a round off, I'd say byebye DRK

Dread spikes. I don't think they're planning a full-on zerg, surely they realized he has PD?

[Fwahm]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...&postcount=306

asked and answered four pages ago. No, I haven't been out to verify it myself, been teaming up with friends to take down Dvucca ones.

Hmm. I wonder if there's a better place; Otherwiki lists 23 spawns, so there's a decent chance there's a spot with more.

Guess I'll gear up my RDM and go a explorin'

[ZhiGaruda]

Don't think anyone is suggesting /BLU for solo

As far group-play, Breeze and Carrot are both more MP-efficient than their alternatives, Protectra and barspells will be useless, and both Shellra and MDB will have extremely limited uses.

/WHM if you need -na, /BLU if you don't need -na but a curaga would be helpful, /BLM if none of the above

In what situation would you need to have a COR using curaga, but not -na's?

And if you're in a situation where you need a very limited of number of cures from said COR, I'd imagine there is no healer in the COR's PT, and something like Shell2's for the party would go a long way in alleviating the need for the COR to cure so much.

[ZhiGaruda]

Dread spikes. I don't think they're planning a full-on zerg, surely they realized he has PD?

Dread spikes doesn't work for WS's, though, so a Claw cyclone/Razor fang would drop it like it's hot

[StevenW]

Due to the fact /RDM gives you access to things like stoneskin, phalanx, cure3, and a load of useful things like protect, shell, bar-spells, and the same MAB as /BLU, it's obviously the best sub for anything involving solo. Anything that COR can solo is already pretty weak, and doesn't require more than basic gear to get unresisted Quick Draw's on, so the minimal +AGI spells from /BLU won't really do a bit of good.

If you're in a situation where curaga is needed, /WHM would probably be more beneficial, with the aforementioned shellra, protectra, cure2/3, magic defense bonus, bar-spell's...etc etc

So COR/RDM can solo cheese hoarder, and iriz, dea, or other kitable ZNM's? That's what I'm really interested in.

Oh and another random question, Warlock's / Wizard's Roll do affect Quick Draw right?

[FailureMidgard]

In what situation would you need to have a COR using curaga, but not -na's?

And if you're in a situation where you need a very limited of number of cures from said COR, I'd imagine there is no healer in the COR's PT, and something like Shell2's for the party would go a long way in alleviating the need for the COR to cure so much.

BLM party on KS99Wyrm or Ouryu or Fafhogg.

Also, as Tsuko said, I wasn't saying /blu for solo, but it does have it's uses.

[rog]

So COR/RDM can solo cheese hoarder, and iriz, dea, or other kitable ZNM's? That's what I'm really interested in.

Oh and another random question, Warlock's / Wizard's Roll do affect Quick Draw right?

Yes. Cor can solo anything that it can outrun.

Yes.

[mdkuser]

Does anyone know where Qutrubs pop in Arrapago Reef? I need to kill 200 of them, and I'd rather stay away from the VT ones outside Dvucca if possible.

there decent chalenge ones near the gate leading the the astral candescence recovery special zone, and more VT ones near the zone to caederva mire with giant rams .

[Byrthnoth]

there decent chalenge ones near the gate leading the the astral candescence recovery special zone, and more VT ones near the zone to caederva mire with giant rams .

There are also quite a few DC ones around the previously mentioned ??? for the Qutrub ZNM. I think it's around the southwest corner of wiki's map 2? Go Something/RNG and widescan a bit, it'll take at least one key to get to them. *unless you enter from Ilrusi I think

[mdkuser]

its the same spot I think.

[ZhiGaruda]

Yes. Cor can solo anything that it can outrun.

Yes.

To an extent, this is true. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, as it caught me off guard at first:

ZNM's have rage timers! Anything that is going to eventually cause you to hit a brick wall as far as damage dealt goes after a certain amount of time needs to be taken with extreme caution. I was messing around, not QD's as soon as it was up and the like vs Wulgaru my first time, and after about 80 minutes, suddenly my shots wouldn't do more than like 10 damage, with the mob still having like 10% HP left I was completely stuck. Had to have a RDM friend come down and nuke it dead for me x_x.

Having sub-par gear and not paying attention can make the easiest solo a mess, so this is kind of null information, but maybe something to consider.

[rog]

To an extent, this is true. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, as it caught me off guard at first:

ZNM's have rage timers! Anything that is going to eventually cause you to hit a brick wall as far as damage dealt goes after a certain amount of time needs to be taken with extreme caution. I was messing around, not QD's as soon as it was up and the like vs Wulgaru my first time, and after about 80 minutes, suddenly my shots wouldn't do more than like 10 damage, with the mob still having like 10% HP left I was completely stuck. Had to have a RDM friend come down and nuke it dead for me x_x.

Having sub-par gear and not paying attention can make the easiest solo a mess, so this is kind of null information, but maybe something to consider.

deodorize->deaggro->continue fite.

[SteveMc]

So, I'm getting close to 75RNG, and all my 75 gear is pretty decent except for the body, acp is out of the question, no osode and no gil to buy one, so is there any cheapish or campable NMs I can farm a decent ws body for RNG?

[Fwahm]

Yeah, I found that around the mirror at I-10 on the 2nd map is a spot with 13 DC Qutrubs.

Only problem is either facing the quadruple Imp gauntlet to the west, or going the long way around to the east.

[Skeelo]

So, I'm getting close to 75RNG, and all my 75 gear is pretty decent except for the body, acp is out of the question, no osode and no gil to buy one, so is there any cheapish or campable NMs I can farm a decent ws body for RNG?

Shikaree Aketon
[Body] All Races
DEF:29 Ranged Attack+7 Enmity-1
LV 50 RNG COR

Ebur Jerkin
[Body] All Races
AGI +4 Ranged Accuracy +5
Ranged Attack +5 Enhances "Snapshot" effect
Can farm materials maybe

Archer's jupon http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...-exclusive.gifhttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Trans-rare.gif
[Body] All Races
DEF: 40 STR +5 Ranged Accuracy -10
Ranged Attack +10
Lv. 71 RNG

Edit: Forgot Denali Jacket worst case scenario

Few options i guess

[rog]

Denali is hardly worst case. If acc isn't capped, it's gonna beat jupon, and beats those others either way (maybe not ebur? not sure, too lazy to do the maths).

[Tsuko_Asura]

In what situation would you need to have a COR using curaga, but not -na's?

And if you're in a situation where you need a very limited of number of cures from said COR, I'd imagine there is no healer in the COR's PT, and something like Shell2's for the party would go a long way in alleviating the need for the COR to cure so much.

I very specifically said when curaga would be "helpful", not "needed".

And Shell IV is single-target. There's no reason to be having your corsair use Shellra II if magic defense actually matters.

[ZhiGaruda]

I very specifically said when curaga would be "helpful", not "needed".

And Shell IV is single-target. There's no reason to be having your corsair use Shellra II if magic defense actually matters.

Ah, true, true. The only rock still unturned in my eyes then is the total MP pool amount. Is the amount when /BLU considerably different from /WHM or /RDM?

Going further, would the difference offset the gains made (in terms of total, not refresh/tick) with cheaper costing spells?

[rog]

Ah, true, true. The only rock still unturned in my eyes then is the total MP pool amount. Is the amount when /BLU considerably different from /WHM or /RDM?

Going further, would the difference offset the gains made (in terms of total, not refresh/tick) with cheaper costing spells?

Most mp would be coming from gear anyway, so it's mostly irrelevant.

But /blu has 19 less mp than /whm, lol.