SCOTUS Justice Stevens retires, Obama gets second appointment..

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

The issue isn't what a women can or can't do, generally speaking, it's whether she has a right to not suffer the consequences of her actions. But is that wrong? Who the hell knows. Considering at a bare minimum a future life is at stake, it seems like there should be a more compelling reason than, "I don't want to suffer the consequences of my actions." Either way though, for some reason, I don't feel strongly either way on abortion. The only clear cut answer to me is when there's rape involved. In that instance, regardless of when life begins, I don't see how you can't give the women the choice.

[Kuya]

In capitalism, you are able to avoid suffering the consequences of your actions if you have enough money.

why does swampy hate capitalism?

[Feedmenow]

Even though abortion may be the most important issue on the "Personal" scale, there's honestly no way to definitely mark when life begins. That mark would determine whether or not abortion is an extremely liberating procedure or a murder. Since the "mark" is purely subjunctive, a belief (almost completely unchangeable in a person's mind), and causes a strong reaction for or against abortion rights, I always get the feeling that the issue itself is brought up just to bring a wedge into the conversation and start up an argument.

[Beckwin]

how non-fucking-chalant to refer to the whole process of pregnancy, childbirth, and raising a child for 18 years as merely "suffering the consequences of one's actions." It's doubly infuriating, because you can apply that to not turning your homework in and getting a bad grade, or killing someone and going to jail for 20 years. Yet having sex and one person becoming a mother just doesn't seem to fit in anywhere when you talk about "consequences of one's actions."

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I think you're interpreting consequences as having a negative connotation. If you win the lottery, one of the consequences is you have a lot of money, but that's not a negative.

[Lycidia]

Yet having sex and one person becoming a mother just doesn't seem to fit in anywhere when you talk about "consequences of one's actions."

That's the real issue right there. Even in consensual sex, the guy can walk away and pretend it didn't happen. He can have an abortion mentally, so to speak. "Oh, hm. If I pretend there are no consequences, then there are no consequences for me."

It's a little harder for a woman. So the government telling any woman anywhere that they can't ignore the consequences of their actions in the same way all men can, and many men do--the government effectively states that women are people with intrinsically fewer rights than men.

Which is historically par for the course, but not something a libertarian should stand up for. Matters of conscience (when a fetus becomes a baby is at this time determined scientifically by how old the fetus has to be before it can survive on its own--the rest is a matter of conscience) should never be dictated by a government.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

This might not be worth the bump, but if the SCOTUS overruled Roe v. Wade congress could then just pass a law making it legal in all 50 states again.

[ZarakiKujata]

This might not be worth the bump, but if the SCOTUS overruled Roe v. Wade congress could then just pass a law making it legal in all 50 states again.

ONLY TO HAVE SAID LAW GET STRICKEN DOWN AGAIN AMIRITE?

[Feedmenow]

Obviously they would pass a law aborting the SCOTUS first.

[ZarakiKujata]

This might not be worth the bump, but if the SCOTUS overruled Roe v. Wade congress could then just pass a law making it legal in all 50 states again.

Also wouldn't this have every conservative in the country crying about activist legislators???

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Also wouldn't this have every conservative in the country crying about activist legislators???

Uh... no more than with Obamacare.

And, under current law, it couldn't be struck down.

[Olo401]

Prospective SCOTUS nominee outed by CBS blogger

In a post for CBS written by Ben Domenech, who is also editor of The New Ledger, Kagan is described as President Barack Obama's most likely choice. She's also described as potentially the "first openly gay justice."

Ben Domenech is also a co-founder of the conservative blog RedState and a well-known plagiarist.

[Acturus]

Prospective SCOTUS nominee outed by CBS blogger


Ben Domenech is also a co-founder of the conservative blog RedState and a well-known plagiarist.

God,when did blogging become a legitimate profession?

[Xno Kappa]

When it became legitimate journalism.

[Kuya]

Have not heard good things about Kagan.