Shadow Lord BCNM Unlocked

[Jazz]

Nightfall is 1 tp/tick

meh... I was hoping for at least a 3 TP/tick.... (Monarch's Drink is 3 TP/tick)

I'm not really surprised by the 1 TP/tick for the weapon though...

[Therin]

3 TP/tick would make it overpowered.

[Nightfyre]

hmm... nvm

[Tulun]

So it's meh for DD purposes... damn. How's the Terror effect?

If you can get an effective 6-hit, it should crush the competition (outside of Rag). Heck, even 7-hit rag is faster than 6-hit Nagel, etc.

Plus, charging TP while running around isn't such a bad thing.

[Spira]

1tp/tick isnt bad at all.

To put it in perspective. 1tp/tick for 3minutes= 60tp which is equivalent to /SAM meditate.. except spread out

[Nightfyre]

If you can get an effective 6-hit, it should crush the competition (outside of Rag). Heck, even 7-hit rag is faster than 6-hit Nagel, etc.

Plus, charging TP while running around isn't such a bad thing.

Ragnarok is actually slighly slower to WS than Naglering and Nightfall is slower still. With regards to Nightfall vs Naglering, Naglering potentially hits harder on WS and ACC may be in play as well, so it's not as clear-cut as it looks. I think I need to revisit my initial math though.

[Sekkite]

Sweet, Finally know where allied ring comes from now. However, do you need to control throne room and it unlocks the ring for the nation that gets the throne room region or all 3 nations.

Any answer on this for those on servers without the Throne Room captured?

[Byrthnoth]

1tp/tick isnt bad at all.

To put it in perspective. 1tp/tick for 3minutes= 60tp which is equivalent to /SAM meditate.. except spread out

Stock answer is this:
Great Sword gets such a large amount of TP/swing, 1TP/tick will only be worthwhile in a situation where you tend to be idle for long periods of time (long enough to idle up one swing worth of TP) (about 45 seconds). Even then, it's saving you one swing on the trip to 100TP and you have to not connect 6 times in 45 seconds to get anything from it.
Now, 6*444/60 ~= 45, but if you have any Haste at all, it isn't going to save you a swing.
On these grounds, you could discard all hope of this being the best damage GS and just hope that the Terror proc rate is good in double dark weather (Dynamis).


However:
I don't know the feasibility of this, but you may be able to 6-hit it if you factor the Regain in and know what your buffs are. It could be a pretty awesome GS. Say you're getting 60% Haste (2 Marches, Haste, 25% from gear somehow):
In 5 attack rounds, you'd get 5 TP from Regain (so you only need to get to 95):
You'd need 39 STP to 6-hit it.
/SAM, Aurum, Brutal, Rajas, Rose = 32
+ Carbonara and Tathlum or Ecphoria = 40/39

Doesn't seem very viable to me at the moment. Sacrificing food is sacrificing too much. Maybe if they introduce a 4-hit GS WS after the level cap raise or something.

[Talus]

Just to add to the general din, did the fight yesterday and today. Never had any resists on Blind II on RDM, (max enfeeble merits, above average gear), did start to resist /DRK stuns near the last quarter of the fight. I don't think our DRK present had any resisted.

Sword dropped 2/2. No armor. I haven't seen the armor or helmet on Valefor yet, but I could be wrong, and probably am.

[NervosaEternal]

Just to add to the general din, did the fight yesterday and today. Never had any resists on Blind II on RDM, (max enfeeble merits, above average gear), did start to resist /DRK stuns near the last quarter of the fight. I don't think our DRK present had any resisted.

Sword dropped 2/2. No armor. I haven't seen the armor or helmet on Valefor yet, but I could be wrong, and probably am.

DRG named bust has the nocturnus mail on valefor. he got it like the day ppl started spamming the shouts.

[Dooom]

On these grounds, you could discard all hope of this being the best damage GS and just hope that the Terror proc rate is good in double dark weather (Dynamis).

Along these lines, whenever someone says "long time between mobs", my initial thought is "northlands dynamis" (running between camps), coinciding nicely with double dark weather.

[Nameless]

I am pretty sure the OAT GS still beats this, but I will have to double check my math first.

[Malacite]

I am pretty sure the OAT GS still beats this, but I will have to double check my math first.

Nightfall DPS: 11.486~ (round to 11.5 or 11.49?)


OAT GS (with the 40%) is 13.07 roughly. I could be mistaken but I'm fairly sure that trumps 1 TP every 3 seconds pretty badly.

[Nameless]

nvm, you are right, it is not even close....

Real question is if the OAT GS is better than a fully upgraded Ragnarok. I am betting that it would be real close. Ragnarok would be a 7 hit with 30 stp, similar to OAT GS needing 30 stp to be a 6 hit, so the sacrifice in acc is the same. Ragnarok does have 20 acc on its side, and 24 dmg over. But OAT GS will be spamming WS at about 50% more (combining 1 hit less with 40% DA).

Interesting....

[Therin]

But OAT GS will be spamming WS at about 50% more (combining 1 hit less with 40% DA).

And its advantage will be nil as soon as you start fighting something harder than Greater Colibri.

[Nightfyre]

And its advantage will be nil as soon as you start fighting something harder than Greater Colibri.

Do tell.

[Nameless]

he is probably talking about the 20 acc, which I said would make a difference obviously (both are sacrificing the same amount of accuracy for their relative hit builds, 7 and 6). However, now a day with pizza, it isn't as big of an advantage as it used to be. Not to mention you are sporting a weaker WS that has no ratio bonus of that of Spinning slash, which will actually make it less effective against harder mobs. If you choose not to use scourge, then it really is just a subduer +1.

[Therin]

I'm just saying that as a mob's defense climbs higher, the lower damage of the OAT great sword puts it farther behind. Also, why are you saying that Scourge is weak? It's actually quite impressive (if you're going by averages from two or three years ago, keep in mind that no one knew how to gear for it back then).

Honestly I hope you're not actually recommending Pizza with a two-handed relic.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm just saying that as a mob's defense climbs higher, the lower damage of the OAT great sword puts it farther behind. Also, why are you saying that Scourge is weak? It's actually quite impressive.

Honestly I hope you're not actually recommending Pizza with a two-handed relic.

...What? So this is the reasoning behind the handful of statements you've made recently that I haven't been understanding? Defense has nothing to do with your weapon's base damage.

[Therin]

Oh, so I will do the same damage on an HNM with Mercurial Sword as I will with a Ragnarok.