Every Black Hole Contains Another Universe?

[Chicomagiko]

Theres an Xzibit joke in here... somewhere...

[Zeh]

What the fuck? This seriously just made my head hurt.

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So is this saying that other black holes lead to universes parallel to ours? So somewhere, I have an aegis?

[Kaelan?]

I could swear I've seen a video on that by Brian....someone. Can't remember if it was Brian Cox or Brian Greene.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

If anyone wants a white hole right now just send me a PM

edit: its the gateway to a universe of pleasure

http://mahopa.de/bilder/lustige-fore...ead-is-gay.jpg

[Eliseos]

I could swear I've seen a video on that by Brian....someone. Can't remember if it was Brian Cox or Brian Greene.

Brian Greene, almost positive. Most of his book The Fabric of the Cosmos was turned into video form by PBS, and a few of us in the LHC thread were positive he wrote about this theory in his two books (which I think again was the Fabric of the Cosmos, since The Elegant Universe was mostly about String theory).

[Kaylia]

What the fuck? This seriously just made my head hurt.

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So is this saying that other black holes lead to universes parallel to ours? So somewhere, I have an aegis?

No, they are saying that the space inside a black hole is the equivalent of a new universe. Basically, that our universe would look like a black hole from the outside.

[Drex]

So, I read the article and I really don't see anything even approaching a reason this would make sense. It just seems like they said "well, we can't explain what's going on so let's make some shit up that sounds cool". Then again, I'm no scientist...

[Jotaru]

So where is our white hole?

Conceivably, it happened like 15 billion years ago or whatever the number is, when the big bang occurred. Would make sense, every black hole to a new 'universe'. Not like our world is known for making sense when you get into the minute detail of how it works

[Mizango]

So, I read the article and I really don't see anything even approaching a reason this would make sense. It just seems like they said "well, we can't explain what's going on so let's make some shit up that sounds cool".

Not that much of a stretch really, it happens every day all around the world. The weekend before last sort of comes to mind here.

[Tajin]

Spoiler: show

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_msBHMLMvx84/Rn...ke%2BAizen.JPG

[Mizango]

I'd love for the Universe to be renamed Hueco Mundo.

[Kuya]

So asking the questions that have already been asked. Is this theory or explanation factionable (i don't think this phrase translates well into english)? It just seems like something that was pulled out of theoretical physics and it only gets attention because it's so bizzare.

[Kaylia]

I'd love for the Universe to be renamed Hueco Mundo.

If it eventually branch off into 4 shitty sub universe, and if physics laws are made up on the spot...sure.

So asking the questions that have already been asked. Is this theory or explanation factionable (i don't think this phrase translates well into english)? It just seems like something that was pulled out of theoretical physics and it only gets attention because it's so bizzare.

Yes.


It was pulled out of theoretical physics from a model that is falling apart. It's not that it's impossible, but it's basically like Einstein predicting black hole before finding them by pushing the model at its limit. However, we know relativity isn't working that well to explain the universe, so unlike black hole, he is using the model beyond the scope it was defined.

[Kuya]

God i hate science on news media.

[Kaylia]

God i hate science on news media.

I'm going to take media defense here (I feel dirty), but the abstract on his paper does say that.

We consider the radial geodesic motion of a massive particle into a black hole in isotropic coordinates, which represents the exterior region of an Einstein–Rosen bridge (wormhole). The particle enters the interior region, which is regular and physically equivalent to the asymptotically flat exterior of a white hole, and the particle's proper time extends to infinity. Since the radial motion into a wormhole after passing the event horizon is physically different from the motion into a Schwarzschild black hole, Einstein–Rosen and Schwarzschild black holes are different, physical realizations of general relativity. Yet for distant observers, both solutions are indistinguishable. We show that timelike geodesics in the field of a wormhole are complete because the expansion scalar in the Raychaudhuri equation has a discontinuity at the horizon, and because the Einstein–Rosen bridge is represented by the Kruskal diagram with Rindler's elliptic identification of the two antipodal future event horizons. These results suggest that observed astrophysical black holes may be Einstein–Rosen bridges, each with a new universe inside that formed simultaneously with the black hole. Accordingly, our own Universe may be the interior of a black hole existing inside another universe.

Basically, he solved some complex relativity equation, and found out that going through a black hole, and the universe formation are mathematically equivalents...or something like this.

[Kuya]

Confusing

[Acturus]

WTF Gay Alf?

[Siniroth]

It says is not a new theory in the article...

According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.

I think the article's confused

[Diamicles]

Yep, this is old theory.

If you think about it though, if matter is being spilled from one 'parallel universe' (for lack of a better term) into another, that universe has a black hole that leads to another white hole, and so on and so forth.

So if this theory is in any way correct or conceivable, there should be an infinite number of parallel universes, all with black and white holes balancing the matter that is transferred or received from the next.

[Max™]

It's not a new theory, it's a new valid solution for the Einstein Field Equations.


http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyb...n.field.sm.gif

That's the simple, symmetric, basic as shit form, matter tells spacetime how to curve, spacetime tells matter how to move.

If you want to model an actual spacetime, you need more dimensions, and thus less symmetry is possible.

Spoiler: show

http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyb...ages/eqn_1.jpg
http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyb...ages/eqn_3.jpg
http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyb...ages/eqn_5.jpg

That is the EFE's for 2 dimensions, going up to 3 or 4 winds up with thousands of terms, and is something which is ridiculously hard to find a solution for.

You can set programs running on supercomputers that scan for valid solutions, like trying to solve algebra problems by plugging numbers til one fits. If x-5=0, the computer goes x = 1? x = 2? x = 3? x = 4? x = 5, stop!

Now imagine going through thousands of values per line, thousands of lines per equation, etc.

If this is an exact solution, it is fascinating, but it isn't QUITE like Kaylia is saying about GR needing to be totally thrown away or some shit, GR is still a workable approximation to reality to some degree, just as Newtonian Mechanics is for low energy levels.