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[Tsuko_Asura]

Botting is not keeping your place in line.

That's exactly what it is, when getting everyone else to stop is not within your power.

[Kipling]

Fishing with Dynamite? There is no such thing camping kings even when using a bot versus those who do not. Random claim shield is random.

[NynJa]

Like I said, they could have solved it but they chose not to. So no, it's not an inevitability.

If you're referring to them banning everyone, perhaps you should look at the Salvage bans. Clearly they're not afraid to ban 800 people, but they need THEIR proof. To them, and I pray I'm not jinxing myself, nothing posted here is sufficient, much like me getting a video of someone POSing around and posting it on youtube, or getting a MSN convo with someone where they go "lol fuck FFXI, I bot the shit out of it, I'm Randomdude on Caitsith, they wont do shit". Theres nothing to say none of this was fabricated, much like I could load up ProjectXI, and make someone look like they're POSing around there. They need to see it on their servers in their logs. Thats why the salvage bans were handed out, they saw on their logs people breaking alliances to forcefully dupe items. That's why Fishbotter9847 can flood his log with full inventory catches and go away scott free because a GM never catches them unattended (which is retarded in its own sense, who the fuck would keep fishing w/ full inventory).

[Priran]

And if its not within my power to stop it? What then?

Whatever the playerbase could have done, they didn't do. People used to kick out botters, then they started kicking out people from their roster of botters who were exposed, then they stopped taking on members who didn't bot.

[NynJa]

Who the fuck said anything about standing in line? What is it with you and putting words about lines in my mouth?

Without bots, camping kings is a competition. When you start botting, it's like fishing with dynamite.

Because you said "WAHHHH I WANT IT NOW BRAH", hence my reply.

Botting is not keeping your place in line. It's going straight to the front and buying the last of everything which denies everyone behind you the chance to get what they were waiting for. If we're going to jump to the "making shitty analogies" stage of the thread try harder.

Well that doesnt quite work as a retort because their is no "item limit" in VanaDiel. Theres no limit on how many D.Rings can exist at any given time on any server, therefor the supply is limitless.

[Kaces]

If you're referring to them banning everyone, perhaps you should look at the Salvage bans. Clearly they're not afraid to ban 800 people, but they need THEIR proof. To them, and I pray I'm not jinxing myself, nothing posted here is sufficient, much like me getting a video of someone POSing around and posting it on youtube, or getting a MSN convo with someone where they go "lol fuck FFXI, I bot the shit out of it, I'm Randomdude on Caitsith, they wont do shit". Theres nothing to say none of this was fabricated, much like I could load up ProjectXI, and make someone look like they're POSing around there. They need to see it on their servers in their logs. Thats why the salvage bans were handed out, they saw on their logs people breaking alliances to forcefully dupe items. That's why Fishbotter9847 can flood his log with full inventory catches and go away scott free because a GM never catches them unattended (which is retarded in its own sense, who the fuck would keep fishing w/ full inventory).

how about them 30 level 1 rdms in dragon's aery dc'ing after claim attempt, god damn exodus it's the only reason they win claim

[Baelorn]

That's exactly what it is, when getting everyone else to stop is not within your power.

Keeping your place in line implies that you are allowing everyone ahead of you(those who have been there longer) to get what they want first and that once you have what you want you will leave and allow everyone else a fair turn(instead you hang around and sell R/Ex items for inflated prices). Bad analogy is bad.

[Priran]

Fishing with Dynamite? There is no such thing camping kings even when using a bot versus those who do not. Random claim shield is random.

Claim shield was added because of bots, and now linked bots are the best way to get around it.

[Priran]

Because you said "WAHHHH I WANT IT NOW BRAH", hence my reply.

That doesn't imply anything resembling a queue, it means he doesn't want to play fair.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Whatever the playerbase could have done, they didn't do. People used to kick out botters, then they started kicking out people from their roster of botters who were exposed, then they stopped taking on members who didn't bot.

You're still not telling me what I can do if I want to fight HNM.

[Kaces]

Claim shield was added because of bots, and now linked bots are the best way to get around it.

There are ways to guarantee claim, it's just simply too detectable.

[Titanss]

how about them 30 level 1 rdms in dragon's aery dc'ing after claim attempt, god damn exodus it's the only reason they win claim

that a true story? if so ..wow

[Yugl]

You're still not telling me what I can do if I want to fight HNM.

You could pay the LS that's fighting the HNM to let you in.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You could pay the LS that's fighting the HNM to let you in.

Which would only serve to perpetuate botting

[Yugl]

Which would only serve to perpetuate botting

You asked for a solution to participating, not botting.

[Baelorn]

It's a circular issue until SE steps in...Like Thorny(?) said you bot or you don't camp HNMs. It's pointless to do anything else.

[FailureMidgard]

Keeping your place in line implies that you are allowing everyone ahead of you(those who have been there longer) to get what they want first and that once you have what you want you will leave and allow everyone else a fair turn(instead you hang around and sell R/Ex items for inflated prices). Bad analogy is bad.

Selling r/e items really has no place in this discussion, and an item being r/e shouldn't really be a part of whether or not it's "fair" to sell it.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You asked for a solution to participating, not botting.

I'm asking for a solution that doesn't involve me perpetuating botting, be it through motivating others to do so, or actually doing so myself

[SephYuyX]

Ragnarok list is dissapointing.

[Priran]

I'm asking for a solution that doesn't involve me perpetuating botting, be it through motivating others to do so, or actually doing so myself

Get a linkshell that does Einherjar.