FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread II: Let's Speculate the Speculations

[King Zuca]

I haven't seen a bomb yet, so:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4205/up46450.jpg

(exactly the same zz)

lol they got lazy wit the bomb designs. hey at least they dont look like the bombs from ffxiii.made me feel like i was fighting a math problem

[Hyan]

if thats the case, JP need to speak up lol. as much as people complain that NA players post some really stupid feedback, if there are 25,000 posts, im sure 1/5 of them are good, which would be better feedback then 5000 posts, and 3/5 of those are good. its the rule of large numbers

It's harder to pick out the good feedback from the bad though. Don't know how much that affects things.

[Tonka]

lmfao what? you make it sound like we all club our women and carry them off into caves. have you ever been here? i just thought that was an awful generalization. but i bet i would get a ton of shit for saying "JP just shut up and take it how it is".

a better generalization, and probably more accurate, is that a lot of the NA testers are likely less patient, but i have'nt read anywhere that the devs said less NA are logging in then JP or EU, maybe i missed something.

hopefully everyone gets a smooth testing run today nonetheless. anyone hear any feedback on how the JP test ran?

TL;DR

Spoiler: show

[King Zuca]

It's harder to pick out the good feedback from the bad though. Don't know how much that affects things.

im sure the devs can differentiate from whining and good input... or at least i hope they can >.>

[King Zuca]

TL;DR

Spoiler: show

what the hell does TL;DR mean? @_@

[Celeras]

What the JPs are doing now, if anybody wants an update... lol

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7550/up46458.gif

[Vauce]

what the hell does TL;DR mean? @_@

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tl%3Bdr

[King Zuca]

What the JPs are doing now, if anybody wants an update... lol

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7550/up46458.gif

oil paintings of creepy dodos?

[King Zuca]

what the hell does TL;DR mean? @_@

ah ok gracias. man tonka if 3 incomplete paragraphs are too much for you to read, i kind of feel bad for you.

[Hyan]

Celeras, are the JP's talking anything about the server stability?

[Kyrra]

Americans and Europeans are leaving a bunch of poorly described bullshit on the feedback and bug report areas of the forum. The Japanese are actually taking their time, putting in a lot of thought and giving very nicely described bug reports and suggestions. No offense to the those that are making quality posts and bug reports on the alpha forum, you're people are doing a good job. It's just that there's a bunch of dumb people.

I was talking about this last night with a friend and we are blaming WoW for this. Blizzard opened up their forums and regularly ask for input from their players. They basically try to get as much input from their players as possible... which has trained people into thinking their opinions on crap that wasn't ask about matters right now.

[Hyan]

Yep, I'm sure video games invented this kind of behaviour.

[Celeras]

Nothing outside mentions of occasional R0.

[Spira]

if thats the case, JP need to speak up lol. as much as people complain that NA players post some really stupid feedback, if there are 25,000 posts, im sure 1/5 of them are good, which would be better feedback then 5000 posts, and 3/5 of those are good. its the rule of large numbers

that IS my point really. Japanese people are generally very conservative and almost never criticize, because its considered rude, even if constructive. While it may not be the best way of doing things in submitting bug reports, they're more likely the kind of people who will only submit a report once they know for sure that they're submitting something relevant and meaningful. Through this, you do get more quality reports probably.. but still far less vocal testers.

The NA side is the opposite of the spectrum really. A lot of people don't bother to read instructions and notices, i swear. You have idiots shouting "OMG how do I fight?" or just shouting in general trying to get simple things done are an example of this. Being a more pluralistic people, you have different kinds of players who all tend to be more vocal because they want to be heard. Its not necessarily bad, but among the numerous reports submitted, a bulk of them may not have any technical value. It does however give a broader perspective, for which the devs do make use of.

[Spira]

I haven't seen a bomb yet, so:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4205/up46450.jpg

(exactly the same zz)

as far as i can tell, it seems i missed out 4 mobs out of all the mobs one might find..

that being bomb, ahriman, spriggan and sabotender. never came across the first 3 and the last one didn't get a clear shot of.

that said, quite a good number of mob families seen in alpha already.

[Shuichi]

So it sounds like things from the JPN side have improved. Is this correct?

[Celeras]

admin: Removed as per NDA

[RPGTyrant]

I think some of the point is being missed in regards to feedback from testers. They are doing the alpha to get feedback that their devs wouldn't necessarily see, so no matter how inane it seems, it could be considered constructive. If something isn't quite as intuitive as it should be, it will be reflected even in a rather idiotic report. It could be taken as something that has to be reinforced and fleshed out in the tutorial. All I'm trying to say is, there can be information gleaned from any and all feedback. SE has said in a recent interview that no matter how minor or insignificant it may seem to us, it's likely something their people wouldn't pick up on or could use to improve the game.

[brand]

Americans and Europeans are leaving a bunch of poorly described bullshit on the feedback and bug report areas of the forum. The Japanese are actually taking their time, putting in a lot of thought and giving very nicely described bug reports and suggestions. No offense to the those that are making quality posts and bug reports on the alpha forum, you're people are doing a good job. It's just that there's a bunch of dumb people.

You are basing this off of what evidence? The interview only said the Japanese weren't (as) scathing in their feedback.

I can't link photos, but the 2ch actually has a number of new mobs. I saw a Raving Hyena, a Giant Crab, Elder "Garago" (not sure how this translates, but they look like the monkeys in Kazham, and a Chigo-.

There's also a photo of a lalafell shielding against a coburan.

[e] Someone else rehost and link them, I'll edit these links out later:
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[Celeras]

^ All of those have been posted before, which is why I didn't.

Anyway, no Battle Regimen video. Hope someone from NA comes through, bbl.