FFXIV Random Speculation/Question thread II: Let's Speculate the Speculations

[Jinko]

Supposedly Poison, Bio and Dia stack (and is quite deadly) but you don't get XP from killing something with dots only.

[supercoco]

Supposedly Poison, Bio and Dia stack (and is quite deadly) but you don't get XP from killing something with dots only.

do all 3 spells belong to the same class?


I dont know if mages will need TP for their first spells , but i'm sure i red ,that we'll need tp for some strong spells

[Jinko]

Yea they all belong to Thaumaturge I believe.

[Draylo]

Dunno if mentioned but they seemed to add few more mobs this round (or last, wasn't in that one). I set homepoint to all the way at the top of map and there are some Peiste, Boar and Slug there now.

[zalasta]

...so to answer your original question, yes, weaponskills are transferable.

I don't have a problem with weaponskills being transferable, but it makes no sense to be able to use Haymaker if you're not equipped with a hand-2-hand weapon (or Red Lotus Blade when you are wielding a staff).

[Loaar]

I don't have a problem with weaponskills being transferable, but it makes no sense to be able to use Haymaker if you're not equipped with a hand-2-hand weapon (or Red Lotus Blade when you are wielding a staff).

I completely understand where your coming from, but at the end of the day the skills may be named a particular thing, but its not too much of a stretch of the imagination to see them used with other weapons.

For example, the definition of Haymaker is literally "a powerful blow". Just because we associate it with a punch doesn't limit it to not being able to be used with a staff or a blade.

Red Lotus Blade says "Call upon the power of flame, increasing attack power and dealing fire damage."

If you consider it as the ability to imbue your weapon with the power of "Red Lotus", then what difference does it make what weapon your using?

EDIT: It seems the Haymaker definition varies from dictionary to dictionary. Some say "a powerful blow" and some say "a powerful blow with a fist". Regardless, I think you just need to consider it in terms of a "type" or attack rather than a literal thing. It could very well be errors in translation that make us think of specific weapons anyway.

[Jinko]

They have probably not finished tweaking the system to borrow skills, are we 100% sure that non blade users can equip red lotus blade, perhaps its requires a slashing type weapon.

[Boom]

this pretty much. I spam level 0 arrows since I'm duoing and pull hate even when I miss.

If thats so then you might wanna report it . That has to be a bug. There is no way in hell you can pull aggro by missing. In any game...

Wasn't there speculation earlier that mobs tend to go for the lower level chars, to help address PLs?

[Draylo]

I was pulling hate also when the mob was real low HP. I got like 1k per kill though with the higher level person.

[Loaar]

I was pulling hate also when the mob was real low HP. I got like 1k per kill though with the higher level person.

XP (For Physical level) doesn't seem to be affected by level differences, but there is anecdotal evidience that skill point gain is.

Did you notice that?

[Spira]

Supposedly Poison, Bio and Dia stack (and is quite deadly) but you don't get XP from killing something with dots only.

i actually think its more like a bug where if the mob falls to the ground, you don't see what you've earned... most definitely a glitch tho

[elsoco]

Why not?

If I had two people attacking me, and one was a platemail wearing hulk with a shield, and the other was a pansy archer who is shooting arrows at me from a distance, I'd want to kill the archer first even if his arrows were missing.

Just the action of firing an arrow could generate hate, its not that unreasonable.

You are totally missing the point. I guess you don't know how game mechanics work. W/E you say .

[Purrrfect]

You are totally missing the point. I guess you don't know how game mechanics work. W/E you say .

Possibly, old game mechanics don't apply to a new game?

[Jinko]

I agree, seems a bit odd for the mob to go after the weakest link, perhaps its kind of realistic in some ways, but if that turns out to be the case, mages are going to be the main target of hate, best give them plate armour and a shield

[kmexe]

Is really odd for the mob to go after the person that just missed a hit, after all, its less of a thread if it cant even land a hit. So ill go with the its a bug train more than an intended enmity mechanic.

[Purrrfect]

Lol, if someone shoots a bullet at you and misses, do you assume the next will also and keep doing what you were doing?

edit:inb4 lolapplyingrealism. Just saying.

[kmexe]

Lol, if someone shoots a bullet at you and misses, do you assume the next will also and keep doing what you were doing?

edit:inb4 lolapplyingrealism. Just saying.

If enmity worked like that Gladiators would only have to focus on Attack speed to get hate. What you are saying is that a missing hit is the same enmity than a missed hit, which is at the end of the day, a broken mechanic because we will be seeing all Gladiators going Attack speed to get more swings for more hate.

[loyaltrekie]

Possibly, old game mechanics don't apply to a new game?

Join Date: Apr 2010 ; don't feed the 2010 Trolls.

I don't have a problem with weaponskills being transferable, but it makes no sense to be able to use Haymaker if you're not equipped with a hand-2-hand weapon (or Red Lotus Blade when you are wielding a staff).

I think you need to expand your thinking - by quite a bit. Just because it's called 'Red lotus blade' hardly means it's exclusive to a bladed weapon, remove blade and you have the basic 'red lotus' which could as someone said earlier be the act of placing the 'red lotus' effect on your weapon. It's traditionally used with bladed weapons - but what is to say that you couldn't do it with a blunt weapon? The majority can be seen as being 'cross weapon', while their are some exceptions - such as a ranged weapons skill with an arrow is a little hard to replicate with a staff, or a shield blockage type ws being hard to replicate with a bow. They could quite easily make weapon specific and cross weapon class ws's(already exists in XI in some regard). TL;DR stop focusing on the name of something - and look at the description or 'lore' of it.

[elsoco]

It doesn't matter if game is new old or w/e. They all work the same way. You have to do dmg, or an enmity generator ability to get aggro. Plain and simple. Aggro for missing a hit? or missing an aggro gen ability? So if i just stand there and do nothing i get aggro? which works the same way as if i missed an attack? sigh... shame on you...

[loyaltrekie]

It doesn't matter if game is new old or w/e. They all work the same way. You have to do dmg, or an enmity generator ability to get aggro. Plain and simple. Aggro for missing a hit? or missing an aggro gen ability? So if i just stand there and do nothing i get aggro? which works the same way as if i missed an attack? sigh... shame on you...

Your logic is flawed at the basic levels - please try again.