Post Pictures of Your Gear XII: Why has nobody remade ffxigear.com?

[Terrestrialrage]

As sam it is never ok to tp in full usukane, why are people so desperate to try and do so.

Please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. Vodou is correct, the difference between the best possible mix and match set and full usu is so marginal that unless you put the same person playing the same race using the two different sets, a parse couldnt tell them apart. Shits so overplayed on these boards that its beyond elitist at this point. Do you suddenly drop from being top-tier DD to party scrub from MNM -> Usu? Absolutely not. Do you swing 2/3/4% slower? Ya. As long as your shit gets done, who is some asshat thousands of miles away to tell you you're not doing it well enough? Obviously you dont Usu in merits, but shit exists outside of Colibris, i promise.

[Neosutra]

Thanx guys, appreciate the input. Didnt mean to start a bitch fest.

Anyone have a link to hit rate differences based on haste values? I know how to calculate gear difference based on acc/attack, but am a little fuzzy in comparing differences in haste.

[Darkmagi]

Please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. Vodou is correct, the difference between the best possible mix and match set and full usu is so marginal that unless you put the same person playing the same race using the two different sets, a parse couldnt tell them apart. Shits so overplayed on these boards that its beyond elitist at this point. Do you suddenly drop from being top-tier DD to party scrub from MNM -> Usu? Absolutely not. Do you swing 2/3/4% slower? Ya. As long as your shit gets done, who is some asshat thousands of miles away to tell you you're not doing it well enough? Obviously you dont Usu in merits, but shit exists outside of Colibris, i promise.

What the fuck. Shit like this is the same as people trying to justify askar heads. Even if its a marginal improvement, it is an improvement and WILL improve your efficiency. Unless NQ dusk gloves are too expensive for you why would you downgrade gear just for the sake of downgrading?

[Terrestrialrage]

That is completely different. In every imaginable case, +10 Acc is worth more than 2% haste (my case, others could be 3/4%), and I guarantee you im not eating a 3-hour food for a 20-min DI. As I said, would never full-usu in merits. However, you cannot dismiss it for every single situation, quoting pizza as the "you should eat this for everything NO EXCUSES" food. In uncapped accuracy situations, full-usu would beat MNM in many cases.

[Nightfyre]

Thanx guys, appreciate the input. Didnt mean to start a bitch fest.

Anyone have a link to hit rate differences based on haste values? I know how to calculate gear difference based on acc/attack, but am a little fuzzy in comparing differences in haste.

As in the % increase/decrease in moving from one haste value to another?

(newhaste-oldhaste)/(1-newhaste)

All in decimals.

[Vodou]

Please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. We all know playstyle and setups will often make a much bigger difference than a few minor gear choices but thats still not an excuse to wear gimp shit. Neo already owns everything (only piece he could be missing is NQ dusk gloves) to make a better build than full usu.

As sam it is never ok to tp in full usukane, why are people so desperate to try and do so.

I could swear the issue of full usu versus a mixed set came up before and Failure and others did the math to show it (mix) was marginally better (2%?). I assume they used HQ gear.

So, your point would be they were using NQ gear in the comparison and NQ beats mix by 2%? Got it. I can't find the post, but it smacks me as odd that anyone would do that, but surely I forgot. For certain, if you can use NQ gear and tp on GK and do more damage than full usu it makes sense to use it.

I still don't think its appropriate for this discussion. Calling people gimp for wearing full usu while tp-ing AS IF they are wearing +3 str rings, warwolf belt and no food just strikes me odd. Its marginally lower not gimp.

Somehow I think if that's how this thread is going to be played every other post should bring up lack of augmented earrings, augmented foragers, augmented rings, augmented dusks since all are obtainable. (If not also lack of relics, mars, nsash and augmented hq cerb, dusk, hauby etc.)

Being able to make marginal improvements is not the same as being gimp, IMO.


The irony of this thread below reeks...

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57812



On the lighter side, this is giving me some diversion while I do bird trials.

[Xerlic]

Try to create two, or a few, PDT sets that are used for different squeezes. Mixed PDT/Haste for taking hits while continuing to gain TP. Full PDT while you are stunned, terrified, or otherwise unable to continue to gain TP.

Thanks for the suggestions. I def know I need more work with making more melee sets. I actually do have a hybrid set where I don't put on the darksteel and keep the haste pieces for when it's not really a dire situation for taking damage like campaign.

For your MDT build, look at Gavial Hands+head. The hands have +4 and the head +3 for HQs, more than coral+1. Likewise for your PDT set, gavial legs (NQ) have more PDT than HQ subligar, and HQ feet have more than DS+1 feet.

Good thing is gavial stuff is usually dirt cheap.

The main reason I have coral/darksteel instead of gavial is for RDM. :/

[Fottiti]

Please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. Vodou is correct, the difference between the best possible mix and match set and full usu is so marginal that unless you put the same person playing the same race using the two different sets, a parse couldnt tell them apart. Shits so overplayed on these boards that its beyond elitist at this point. Do you suddenly drop from being top-tier DD to party scrub from MNM -> Usu? Absolutely not. Do you swing 2/3/4% slower? Ya. As long as your shit gets done, who is some asshat thousands of miles away to tell you you're not doing it well enough? Obviously you dont Usu in merits, but shit exists outside of Colibris, i promise.

Ok so you're saying that its not worth making upgrades or adjusting gear unless its detectable on a parse, nice one. Why would you not wear the best combination of gear which you already own just because you can't see the difference on a parse.

That is completely different. In every imaginable case, +10 Acc is worth more than 2% haste (my case, others could be 3/4%)

In how many situations will you not cap accuracy with a 2handed relic, merits and pizza? Assuming you do make full use of the 9.5acc (you would likely be better off changing food and back/neck pieces first) you would need 2x march, haste and hasso up for mixed setup to win. That said, its not going to happen due to relic Sam easily being able to hit 460 accuracy and non-relic would be able to hit 440 which is still more than whats needed for 90% of stuff, with pizza before you even change neck/back piece to ancient/cuch.

, and I guarantee you im not eating a 3-hour food for a 20-min DI.

HQ pizza is 6-7k on my server and lasts 4 hours, NQ is 3-4k so no real debate on the expense as you are talking about getting best mileage out a DD this isn't a big expense compared to gear upgrades like Dusk +1. If you are saying that pizza will then be less optimal for an event you will be doing after then antacid goes for 8-10k each on my server but can be crafted for 1/2 that price if you know an alchemist.

As I said, would never full-usu in merits. However, you cannot dismiss it for every single situation, quoting pizza as the "you should eat this for everything NO EXCUSES" food. In uncapped accuracy situations, full-usu would beat MNM in many cases.

Nobody said anything about colibri being the end-all and a 2handed relic can eat meat in a lot more places than other DD. Most things in einherjar/dynamis/limbus fall in similar level/stat ranges as merit mobs though, and if you accuracy is uncapped then you can switch to pizza+1 and neck/back aswell, if you're still uncapped eat sushi and adjust gear back to attack/str.

Edit: I realise my last point didn't account for Sam in merits, which will be using polearm (and in many other situations aswell) where Sushi will often win.

[Neosutra]

1. I dont have Amano.

2. I dont have Gktana merits so I'm not pushing 440 acc pre-food.

3. He wasnt arguing "because it cant be seen on parse", he was pointing out the difference is -extremely- marginal, so calling it "gimp" is ridiculous.

I'm quite aware of the "this is better than X in this situation", what I was asking for was "by how much".

[Darkmagi]

If acc is uncapped adjust food. It's as simple as that. Adjust gear based on food. Never give up haste for acc when you can easily cap acc with food, especially on a job like sam with a massive pdif boost on WS.

[Mazmaz]

Please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. Vodou is correct, the difference between the best possible mix and match set and full usu is so marginal that unless you put the same person playing the same race using the two different sets, a parse couldnt tell them apart. Shits so overplayed on these boards that its beyond elitist at this point. Do you suddenly drop from being top-tier DD to party scrub from MNM -> Usu? Absolutely not. Do you swing 2/3/4% slower? Ya. As long as your shit gets done, who is some asshat thousands of miles away to tell you you're not doing it well enough? Obviously you dont Usu in merits, but shit exists outside of Colibris, i promise.

Having a closed mind to every possible thing but haste and accuracy does. 2% haste isn't going to make a world of difference and suddenly make you parse 5% more. At best it might move you up half a percent. Pulling more hate during TP gain just causes you to have to drop hasso and throw up Seigan lowering your damage much more than 2% haste.

Everything in the game doesn't work by the fucking math. Any player who has done a shit drop of endgame knows that. I know it's hard to step away from the stupid collection of math toting morons, but you can do it. There isn't just one right way to do shit.

Hmm. We really gonna go over this again bro?

[Terrestrialrage]

Everyone in this discussion understands maximum potential and optimization, we're not arguing that, we're talking about the marginality of MNM and full-usu. Neo summed me up well. What I'm trying to get at is that unless you're in a vacuum, the difference between full-usu and MNM will be hardly noticable, if at all. Calling someone a terrible Sam or like they should be boo'd off the face of the planet because they choose to TP in full-usu is not the same comparison as a Sam wearing Sun Rings and Askar Zuchetto. All of us here have optimal gear and use it. Sometimes however i dont feel like running -12%, or i dont feel like looking at myself in that ugly ass turban. Whatever the case is, arguing that full Usu is somehow the same thing as an Askar Body-tping Sam is ridiculous. Neo, despite the elitist thoughts here, you will not notice a difference in the two sets.

[Terrestrialrage]

Maz, your Enkidu's Harness-wearing, Lava/Kusha wearing ass doesn't belong in this discussion. When you have gear that isn't laughable, you may join the rest of us.

[Fottiti]

I guess my initial post phrased it badly in relation to the gimp comment. What I meant was that it makes no sense to use a certain set when you already own or can aquire at negligable cost, a set that will perform better.

Its the same principle of people getting lynched every time an Apoc is pictured wearing Ace's Helm in non-aftermath gear. Ace's helm isn't a bad piece, you could tp in many worse things (and they do), but turban is availible to everyone at negligable expense (as if you didn't own one already) and is better in vast majority of situations.

[Kaiyoko]

Since when was there a reason to eat pizza on Sam unless using polearm?

[Hyriu]

Since pizza came out.

[Yugl]

Most of endgame is about marginal differences. That's all that really needs to be said about this.

[drwaffles]

Since when did 80% of BG's discussion become about something other than improving melee efficiency by degrees too insignificant to be consistently detected by a parser?

[Yugl]

Since when did 80% of BG's discussion become about something other than improving melee efficiency by degrees too insignificant to be consistently detected by a parser?

Since General.

[fredjanx]

Most of endgame is about marginal differences. That's all that really needs to be said about this.

/thread.
The difference between full usu and a mix-n-match set is probably more noticeable than a couple points of attack and accuracy, though (example: haubergeon +1 and E-Body)