Post Pictures of Your Gear XII: Why has nobody remade ffxigear.com?

[mdkuser]

Except C isnt greater than A. Which is the point.

Go away. You're wrong, you're always wrong.

Go back to TPing in strength rings and thinking brds suck in salvage with Pchan.

you're out of arguement very fast.

A: usu body + sword strap+ usu feet
B: hauby+1+ pole grip + usu feet
C: usubody + pole grip + fumas;


C>A because: 1% haste= 3% delay reduction, 2% DA better than 7 mere attack.
A>B because: 2% DA is +1.7% melee and +2.5% ws, so globally +2.2% damage. sword strap is +3.1% damage, difference is 0.9% damage, and 7 attack cannot beat that unless you never ws or something.

therefore C>B.

Inbefore uncaped accuracy.

uncaped accuracy? on a non HNM? really? If that's the case, with a 35% melee/65% ws split, hagun is +2~3% better than onimaru only ( not counting acc and attac bonuses). This is easilly beaten by 5 acc and 18 attack.

[Neosutra]

you're out of arguement very fast.

A: usu body + sword strap+ usu feet
B: hauby+1+ pole grip + usu feet
C: usubody + pole grip + fumas;


C>A because: 1% haste= 3% delay reduction, 2% DA better than 7 mere attack.
A>B because: 2% DA is +1.7% melee and +2.5% ws, so globally +2.2% damage. sword strap is +3.1% damage, difference is 0.9% damage, and 7 attack cannot beat that unless you never ws or something.

therefore C>B.

Inbefore uncaped accuracy.

uncaped accuracy? on a non HNM? really? If that's the case, with a 35% melee/65% ws split, hagun is +2~3% better than onimaru only ( not counting acc and attac bonuses). This is easilly beaten by 5 acc and 18 attack.

Except Hauby+1/Usu feet/Pole grip isnt just 7 attack over Usu body, Sword strap, usu feet?

Except if you're acc capped, you can swap out Cuch's mantle for Cerb, AT for Justice, Acc rings for Str, or any other number of combinations far superior to your suggestions for even more attack/DoT over your current setup?

Please be more stupid.

[fredjanx]

Rose Strap?

[Thorny]

Except Hauby+1/Usu feet/Pole grip isnt just 7 attack over Usu body, Sword strap, usu feet?

Except if you're acc capped, you can swap out Cuch's mantle for Cerb, AT for Justice, Acc rings for Str, or any other number of combinations far superior to your suggestions for even more attack/DoT over your current setup?

Please be more stupid.

Do you have any idea how irrelevant attack is for SAM when using GK? Serious question.

[Phraust]

Hit Lighter and Miss Faster...
...or Hit Harder, More often, yet Slower.

Does it realistically improve your EXP/hr when you are out meriting? If so, is it more that 5%? Or are you STILL limited by how many mobs spawn in a given time and you're just doing more damage that the other guys for no real victory?

Does it mean the difference between killing a NM/HNM or losing the fight?

Are you capped for the mob you're fighting in all respective stats?

All these arguments are pointless. There is no "Best", unless you're playing the game on paper. When you're put in game there's a bunch of other factors (Though we call them "excuses" when they happen to those arguing) like:

Q: "Ok, you have the best gear, how come you didn't parse highest?"
A: "I was pulling too much hate, spend too much time [stunned, casting shadows, with seigan, etc...]."

Q: "That's nice, why did you guys wipe to [misison, BC, NM, HNM, etc...]?"
A: "Because [any variety & combination of excuses] happened."

Q: "So you totally wasted that guy in that parse right? The guy with the same gear as you but didn't use the Blitz ring?
A: "Yeah dude I totally wasted him. Not only did I do 0.21% more melee damage than him I got 331 WS in to his 330!"

I mean, by all means carry on if this is what makes you happy, but worrying about at best a 2% difference either way to the point you guys are actually attacking one another on a forum is kinda weird. It just doesn't seem very healthy to carry on like this day in, day out lol.

There's always going to be people that disagree with you, and there's always going to be people that are wrong. All you can do is deliver information and hope people are smart enough to try out the different combinations and come to the right conclusions for themselves. Lashing out at one another only makes you look insecure with your data.

[Cream Soda]

Or are you STILL limited by how many mobs spawn in a given time and you're just doing more damage that the other guys for no real victory?

Kill wivre

[Neosutra]

Do you have any idea how irrelevant attack is for SAM when using GK? Serious question.

I'm completely aware of how little attack does for Sam.. During WS.

During TP phase attack isnt useless and unless you're going to produce drastically different Pdif equations, the Hauby+1/Usu Feet/Pole Grip combination wins. Or were you just trying to be argumentative without contributing anything again? (Or did you miss the TP/WS ration discussion earlier?).

[Darkmagi]

I don't know why this is so hard to see. If acc is capped(which it should be), Pole grip + fuma(or dusk+1) + usu body is clearly better than haub+1/sword/usu feet. The slight DoT increase in the TP phase won't make up for the increased WS rate.

[Neosutra]

I don't know why this is so hard to see. If acc is capped(which it should be), Pole grip + fuma(or dusk+1) + usu body is clearly better than haub+1/sword/usu feet. The slight DoT increase in the TP phase won't make up for the increased WS rate.

Ever so slightly increase in WS rate at the expense of DoT decrease isnt as clear cut as you are making to be. There is a line where sacrificing DoT for WS frequency stops paying off, and this is past that line. But thanx for contributing.

[Cream Soda]

Well if you like attack that much, can use askar body when acc is capped w/ fuma

[Neosutra]

Strawman some more please.

[Thorny]

sword strap = 3% tp damage ws damage through frequency
pole grip = 1.7% TP and WS damage(through frequency) and ~.8% ws damage through damage

hauby+1 = 12 attack
usu body = 2 str 2 dex

so you're comparing

2 str 2 dex on tp and 3% tp damage 3% ws damage
to
12 attack on tp and 1.7% tp damage and 2.51% ws damage

1.03 / 1.017 = 1.27% more tp damage from sword
1.03 / 1.0251 = .47% more ws damage from sword

10.5 attack on ~400 is going to be about 2.5% tp damage

2 str is going to be about 0.5% tp damage
2 dex is 1.5 acc and whatever arbitrary amount of critrate

1.025 / 1.017 = 0.78% tp damage
vs .47% ws damage

.47 * .6(60:40 tp/ws split) = .282
.78 * .4 = .312

ANY use of the accuracy or an attack of over 450(IE: using food with berserk or one minuet/chaos) will put the sword strap combination ahead, and if you aren't using accuracy then you shouldn't be using usu feet. Period.

Learn to math, k?

[Nightfyre]

To be fair, throwing that around without proof isn't going to fly here and honestly shouldn't anywhere on these boards. Coupled with you walking in swinging, you're not going to get far with this whether you're right or not.

Somebody give me some attack values to work with and I'll at least put out a ballpark figure real quick, though it'll just be assuming the 35/65 TP/WS split I saw earlier.

EDIT: inb4'd, thanks Thorny

[Neosutra]

sword strap = 3% tp damage ws damage through frequency
pole grip = 1.7% TP and WS damage(through frequency) and ~.8% ws damage through damage

hauby+1 = 12 attack
usu body = 2 str 2 dex

so you're comparing

2 str 2 dex on tp and 3% tp damage 3% ws damage
to
12 attack on tp and 1.7% tp damage and 2.51% ws damage

1.03 / 1.017 = 1.27% more tp damage from sword
1.03 / 1.0251 = .47% more ws damage from sword

10.5 attack on ~400 is going to be about 2.5% tp damage

2 str is going to be about 0.5% tp damage
2 dex is 1.5 acc and whatever arbitrary amount of critrate

1.025 / 1.017 = 0.78% tp damage
vs .47% ws damage

.47 * .6(60:40 tp/ws split) = .282
.78 * .4 = .312

ANY use of the accuracy or an attack of over 450(IE: using food with berserk or one minuet/chaos) will put the sword strap combination ahead, and if you aren't using accuracy then you shouldn't be using usu feet. Period.

Learn to math, k?

Where are you getting Pole Grip is 1.7% damage+ on TP phase and .8 on WS?

Where are you getting 450 acc?

What are you fighting that you are so capped on acc that you cant swap out any other spot for more attack/str (rings/back/neck), keeping the Usu Feet/Hauby+1/Polegrip?

So either:

You're fighting something where you're not capped on acc, in which case the Usu feet, Hauby+1, Pole grip win.

You're fighting something where you are capped on acc and using the Usu feet, Hauby+1, and pole grip allows you to swap your back/rings/neck for even more DoT while maintaining the superior TP rate.

You're fighting something that you're so far above the acc cap that you've swapped every other piece of acc gear out and are still capped, while getting Dia3, eating meat, full timing hasso, getting double marches/haste: In which cause use your higher haste combination.

Even your math shows that the Hauby+1/Usu feet/Pole grip has higher DPS at the cost of .47% TP damage... And that is IGNORING acc.

Learn to math yourself. It's like you frantically typed the shit up and didnt even read what you had calculated to realize you just proved yourself wrong.

[Shenrien]

Lawl NIN, anyways.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2j3s5fp.png

1 - Ninjutsu
2 - Evasion(lulz situational)
3 - TP
4 - WS
5 - Ni
6 - Ichi

I'd post PDT, MDT, Fire Resist, and Enmity (for JA as /DRK) but I didn't want to take the time to pull out more gear, I know I'm missing my Fire Bomblet for TP & WS, I had just reactivated my account and when I had deactivated I had given all my gear to my friend, and they stopped playing the same time as myself, and now I need to get that back, time to go poke them.

[Konda]

strange choice of anwing augments....

and use Okote or something/anything other than AF hands for Jin.

[Neosutra]

Lawl NIN, anyways.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2j3s5fp.png

1 - Ninjutsu
2 - Evasion(lulz situational)
3 - TP
4 - WS
5 - Ni
6 - Ichi

I'd post PDT, MDT, Fire Resist, and Enmity (for JA as /DRK) but I didn't want to take the time to pull out more gear, I know I'm missing my Fire Bomblet for TP & WS, I had just reactivated my account and when I had deactivated I had given all my gear to my friend, and they stopped playing the same time as myself, and now I need to get that back, time to go poke them.

As you said, Fire Bomblet.

AF+1 hands.

You need more acc in your TP set to cap out (on birds at least), so not sure if AF+1 body is an option for you quite yet.

Usu feet are pretty easy to farm and are great.

What feet are those in your ninjitsu set? (Relic feet work well for that).

Welcome back to the game.

[Thorny]

Where are you getting Pole Grip is 1.7% damage+ on TP phase and .8 on WS?

Approximations, seeing as a gekko DA doesn't get the ftp mod it'll cap at about half of a normal gekko swing. I was giving your side the benefit of the doubt and assuming attack capped during that somehow. 1.17 / 1.15(/WAR + brutal) = .017 increase, simple.

Where are you getting 450 acc?

450 attack is the point where sword+usu outdoes pole+hauby+1.

What are you fighting that you are so capped on acc that you cant swap out any other spot for more attack/str (rings/back/neck), keeping the Usu Feet/Hauby+1/Polegrip?

Terribly diminishing returns. I used 60:40 ws split, others say it's 65:35, why wouldn't you swap out usu feet for fuma(or dusk+1) before swapping out shit like tor->strigoi? 6 STR on a d:75 weapon is 2% damage during tp only.. 1 haste in a decent setup is ~2.5% tp/ws damage depending on prior haste.

You're fighting something where you're not capped on acc, in which case the Usu feet, Hauby+1, Pole grip win.

By that you mean Usu feet, Usu Body, Sword Strap? Usu body has more acc, and I already outlined why it wins even if accuracy is capped. It wins by MORE if you don't have accuracy capped.

You're fighting something where you are capped on acc and using the Usu feet, Hauby+1, and pole grip allows you to swap your back/rings/neck for even more DoT while maintaining the superior TP rate.

Swap Usu feet for Fuma and usu body for hauby. There, more TP rate AND more accuracy!

You're fighting something that you're so far above the acc cap that you've swapped every other piece of acc gear out and are still capped, while getting Dia3, eating meat, full timing hasso, getting double marches/haste: In which cause use your higher haste combination.

Even your math shows that the Hauby+1/Usu feet/Pole grip has higher DPS at the cost of .47% TP damage... And that is IGNORING acc.

I was comparing hauby+1/pole to usu/sword. I didn't mention usu feet, so ignoring acc is a downside. Quoting a number out of context means nothing, I showed the relative value of it later by multiplying by TP:WS ratio.

Learn to math yourself. It's like you frantically typed the shit up and didnt even read what you had calculated to realize you just proved yourself wrong.

lol, irony

[Nightfyre]

You can't really add in the back slot for this comparison - swapping grips makes you lose TP and interrupts your meleeing, so it's not something you'd generally do on the fly. Best to keep that slot open for future changes depending on the situation and gear to the minimum amount of acc you'll need with the relevant slots here (grip/body/feet). Changing slots that also affect your choice of grip would be a last resort effort to cap your acc.

Well, you could, but eh. There's also diminishing returns as mentioned above.

[Cream Soda]

First I read this

Where are you getting Pole Grip is 1.7% damage+ on TP phase and .8 on WS?

and thought to myself "I know Thorny wouldn't make a simple mistake that." Then I remembered Neo is famous for misquoting and twisting words, so I go back to the previous page to double check and see this

pole grip = 1.7% TP and WS damage(through frequency) and ~.8% ws damage through damage

From the misquote, I thought for a second you were leaving out WS frequency