Post Pictures of Your Gear XII: Why has nobody remade ffxigear.com?

[Shenrien]

Right, but if he has Katana merits there really isnt a reason to use sushi over meat kabobs. He's close to the cap as is. I did the math for a similar setup (with some more acc) a few pages back, you guys can check that out and replace my gear with yours to get the values of acc you need to cap out.

Yes, I do have 8/8 Katana Merits, Hope Torque dropped one night but because of 1h acc values I figured it wouldn't have been better then PCC and let someone else have it, sometimes I regret passing things but soon! That really won't be an issue

[Cream Soda]

How does -1% haste equate to .5% loss of ws damage(or can say +1 haste equate to .5% gain, either way)? Does not fucking compute. Elaborate.

[Neosutra]

I hope SE gives NIN some loving so I dont continue to regret my Katana merits .

edit: Check Thorny's post on the previous page Mexichu.

[Shenrien]

I hope SE gives NIN some loving so I dont continue to regret my Katana merits .

I'm curious, if I were to get a hold of Hikazu Gote, and in place of Dusk/Koga I rocked Shinobi Ring, would that be a better setup?

[Neosutra]

You like to TP at 50% HP?

[Neosutra]

Do I really need to requote his post to ask the question at 75% hp?

[Shenrien]

Lol, nah. I'd say maintaining a 75% while doing end game might be difficult, but in terms of fighting merit mobs, altho usually I'm on SAM or BRD for that, my curiosity just makes me wonder o:

[Nightfyre]

Edit: And Nightfrye, you're still missing the point that Hauby+1/Usu feet/Polegrip was superior DoT at LESS THAN .5% WS damage loss for the alternative... And that's without counting acc differences. Stop trying to justify bullshit, even other people's bullshit.

Superior DoT but not superior DPS. Near as I can tell you only followed part of his math.

Stop trying to bring accessory acc options into this, it doesn't work. You're mixing stages in constructing builds to no productive end. Unless you like dropping all your TP every few mobs?

Thorny demonstrated that the threshold value for the attack on Haub+1 to carry the build was sufficiently low that you can reasonably expect for it to be insufficient. If I'm not mistaken, he even weighted the comparison in your favor; low DA acc on WS was not accounted for, only the lack of a pDIF boost. His TP:WS split was also potentially on the high side, favoring your position even further. In other words, it's really no contest; it loses in an unrealistically favorable situation and can therefore be expected to lose in more realistic situations.

If you cannot prove that his math was deeply flawed, I suggest you stop digging your hole. I'll say it again, throwing shit around with nothing to back it up is not going to fly here. Baseless insults and a lack of even a solid attempt to support your position isn't exactly productive and is arguably just trolling... there's plenty of other places you can do that without shitting up one of the more valuable threads in Media.

[Phraust]

Superior DoT but not superior DPS.

Wut?

[Shenrien]

Damage over Time probably related to Melee Hits, DPS from total Melee hits and WSs? idk

[Max™]

Shinobi ring is sooooooo addictive, and dangerous as fuck. I ran around in that shit as a taru Nin.

Also: stop misusing "irony", it's too ironic.

[Konda]

And Nightfrye, you're still missing the point that Hauby+1/Usu feet/Polegrip was superior DoT at LESS THAN .5% WS damage loss for the alternative... And that's without counting acc differences. Stop trying to justify bullshit, even other people's bullshit.

maybe I'm miss-reading this, but Usukane body/feet+sword strap is MORE acc than haub+1/usu feet+pole grip due to Usukane body having more dex than Haub+1.

unless you're comparing usubody/fumas+pole... I can't even tell anymore


edit: and you can make a Shinobi ring proc set on NIN, but it requires invo -9 for my elvaan (with 6hp merits)
see: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=149398

iirc, that's the set for mix/match, using it with full usukane needs more -hp since full usu doesnt have the same +hp as mix/match to force yellow hp.

[Nightfyre]

Damage over Time probably related to Melee Hits, DPS from total Melee hits and WSs? idk

This, only way I could make sense of his use of "DoT" was to assume he was applying it to TP phase damage only.

[Thorny]

Sure, it's only .5% ws damage, but the melee damage increase is only .7%. With SAM's TP/WS split, it's still inferior. If you have higher attack or make use of the extra accuracy on usu body, gap widens. You're wrong, deal with it.

[Neosutra]

It's not .5% loss, it's .47%. It isnt .7%, it's .78%


.78% TP phase incraese * .4(40% TP phase DoT) = .312% increase in total DPS. .47% WS damage *.6 (60% WS damage) = .282% loss in total DPS.

.312 - .282 = .030% increased TOTAL DPS.

It's like you dont even look at your own math. And honestly, looking at these numbers, not only do I see how completely pig headedly retarded you are for arguing over this, I see how completely pig headedly retared I am for arguing over this. We're talking about less than a 10th of a percentage difference in total DPS...

I'm going to go get breakfast, jesus.

[Nightfyre]

It's not .5% loss, it's .47%. It isnt .7%, it's .78%


.78% TP phase incraese * .4(40% TP phase DoT) = .312% increase in total DPS. .47% WS damage *.6 (60% WS damage) = .282% loss in total DPS.

.312 - .282 = .030% increased TOTAL DPS.

It's like you dont even look at your own math. And honestly, looking at these numbers, not only do I see how completely pig headedly retarded you are for arguing over this, I see how completely pig headedly retared I am for arguing over this. We're talking about less than a 10th of a percentage difference in total DPS...

I'm going to go get breakfast, jesus.

You'll notice that the numbers you're quoting involved a base attack of 400 and he stated that the threshold value was 450. His conclusions are still sound, especially given the heavily weighted comparison as I noted previously (which you're conveniently ignoring).

[Thorny]

It's not .5% loss, it's .47%. It isnt .7%, it's .78%


.78% TP phase incraese * .4(40% TP phase DoT) = .312% increase in total DPS. .47% WS damage *.6 (60% WS damage) = .282% loss in total DPS.

.312 - .282 = .030% increased TOTAL DPS.

It's like you dont even look at your own math. And honestly, looking at these numbers, not only do I see how completely pig headedly retarded you are for arguing over this, I see how completely pig headedly retared I am for arguing over this. We're talking about less than a 10th of a percentage difference in total DPS...

I'm going to go get breakfast, jesus.

The numbers are all weighted in your favor and it wins by nothing.

Change TP:WS to 35:65? Usu/Sword wins.

Change attack to 450? Usu/Sword wins.

Change accuracy to 94.5%? Usu/Sword wins.

Account for pdif and accuracy not being capped on gekko DAs? Usu/Sword wins.

The best way to disprove something is to favor it at every possible occasion, the times where you'd use hauby+1 and pole grip are essentially non-existant. You're not going to swap grips when you berserk, so if you're /war using pizza with NO attack buffs you're still better off using Usu/Sword overall..

[drwaffles]

ib4 Neosutra's trademark UR WRONG GO AWAY U MADE AN IDIOT OF URSELF I'M RIGHT I WAS DEPLOYED FOR A YEAR RAGHRAGHRAGHRGHAGHGA

[drwaffles]

Oh, and inb4 "BG is shit now because no one sucks my dick any more because people use their accursed math to prove me wrong, boohoo".

[Neosutra]

Wow cause I've used deployment as an argument winner right? And 3 people agreeing with you means you're right? Nightfrye sucking Thorny's dick after every post doesnt make Thorny anymore right. His own math showed his combination was lower DPS and equal at best. Take the dildo out of your ass and pay attention.

The point was the math was done in my favor and my combination won... Then Thorny/Nightfrye came back crying because "oh the math was in your favor waaaaaaaah".

No shit. The point is: The combinations are so ridiculously close that Mdkuser is a dumb fuck for bringing it up in -every- god damned thread.

And Thorny, you math the results and they come out near equal in my ideal situation (with my combination winning) and near equal with your combination (with your combination winning) with different attack/acc values, and yet you're still playing the "you're so retarded for not seeing I'm right" card.

It's a stupid debate, and you're not the night in shining armor for being so pig headed as to not let it go. Mdkuser was wrong, stop defending his stupid argument.