Anti-Obesity Pill Swells in Your Stomach, Making You Full Before You Even Start Eating

[Atreides]

because most people are really stupid

[Plow]

my point was yea, obviously there's no single set cause for obesity, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that if people were more well educated (or smarter, or had more willpower, or whatever), there would be a lot less fat people. As much as your mom seems like an exception to the norm, she doesn't prove or disprove anything.

It proves that fat people aren't all fat because they're lazy bastards. I mean my mom's not some huge lady by any means, but I'm 6'2 with wide-ass shoulders and starting to get a bit of a beer belly from too many video games, she's ~5'7 and weighs more than me.

And yes, there is a point to that: things like this can actually help people that aren't just lazy fucks looking for an easy way out. I mean... at least it's not ephedrine.

Why do most issues seem to revolve around whether most people are smart enough or really stupid.

When 99% of the population is way smarter than average, of course it's all about intelligence!

[Guitarman]

junk food is typically cheaper partly because it sells 20x faster than healthy foods. It's the Wal-Mart principle; sell for lower prices in better sizes (bulk, etc), people will buy more. sure you're making less on the per each, but overall your profits are higher.

also; big flaw in this pill is the satiety. Part of feeling full is a mental aspect. Chewing more makes your brain tell you your stomach is full; swallowing this pill may make you feel fuller, but you'll still want to eat because you're not sated.

[Plow]

junk food is typically cheaper

Green peppers and broccoli, people, green peppers and broccoli.

[Guitarman]

Green peppers and broccoli, people, green peppers and broccoli.

typically is the key word in what i said. It was going back to the shitton of food you can get for 5 bucks at taco bell vs a healthy alternative.

[Plow]

typically is the key word in what i said. It was going back to the shitton of food you can get for 5 bucks at taco bell vs a healthy alternative.

And I was pointing out that it's only because people don't pay attention that they think they're getting a shitton of food for 5 bucks at taco bell, when they could be getting, just as an example, a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, some hash browns, and a big thing of orange juice, for that $5 instead.

Or a couple bags of carrots, some broccoli, some "healthy" dip, and some V8.

Or a pound or 2 of salad from a salad bar where you can choose whatever you want in it.

Or... get this...

Some taco shells and tortillas, cheese, seasoning, lettuce, onions, peppers, sauce, and a pound of beef.

[Pirian]

also; big flaw in this pill is the satiety. Part of feeling full is a mental aspect. Chewing more makes your brain tell you your stomach is full; swallowing this pill may make you feel fuller, but you'll still want to eat because you're not sated.

This is wrong. When you eat and your stomach become full it sends signals to your brain to tell you you're full. People often overeat by eating too quickly, thus overriding the initial stop, and stretch out their stomach so it can hold more. One of the first thing many nutritionists say to people trying to eat better is to eat slower and take small breaks in the meal in order for your stomach to adjust and send the signal that you are full, or that it still needs more food.

[Xiona]

if they really wanted to accomplish weight loss for obese individuals; they should focus away from making people physically 'feel' full and more on the physiological mechanisms which losing large amounts of weight triggers. Its not uncommon that this feeling of being full does not deter people from continuing to consume more than they need, this is how you stretch your stomach out to begin with. The real problem I see is the starvation defense mechanism which is triggered from losing weight. You are not starving, but by being fat at one point (especially a problem with childhood obesity) your body thinks that the weight you are at is in fact normal and healthy. The more you lose, the more you crave fatty and high caloric foods. This craving and feeling of starvation cannot be ignored with simple will power as no matter how much you eat, you feel hungry until your weight regresses closer to its perceived mean.

Until your body resets what it sees as normal, which takes years, individuals will have to deal with always feeling hungry. It is my understanding that this process is based on how physically full our fat cells are. The idea being you are born with a specific amount and if you never excessively eat highly fatty foods then they are an accurate measure of starvation for your body. The problem lies when you do eat and need to store more fats, your body simply makes more cells to do so. However, the body never destroys fat cells. Hypothetically if you have 100 cells and the starvation threshold is a set % of how full these cells are, by your body increasing this amount to 1000 cells then the same baseline % to trigger starvation will be at a higher BMI #.

Obesity would not be a problem if they developed a way to trigger fat cell death, and prevent their subsequent replacement. Until that happens the only way to fix obesity would involve vigilance over all children's eating habits.

[Plow]

20 meg sigs are totally reasonable btw

[Xiona]

And I was pointing out that it's only because people don't pay attention that they think they're getting a shitton of food for 5 bucks at taco bell, when they could be getting, just as an example, a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, some hash browns, and a big thing of orange juice, for that $5 instead.

Or a couple bags of carrots, some broccoli, some "healthy" dip, and some V8.

Or a pound or 2 of salad from a salad bar where you can choose whatever you want in it.

Or... get this...

Some taco shells and tortillas, cheese, seasoning, lettuce, onions, peppers, sauce, and a pound of beef.

I added a spoiler to the sig

BTW the food you are listing here costs way more than $5, especially the taco shell/tort, cheese, seasoning, veggies and beef (which is about 4-5 bucks a pound to begin with).

[Lucavi]

You manage to live in the middle of nowhere in one of the smallest states? lol Frederick is a wonderful place, I'm within an hour of every city that Trader Joe's place is listed, hah.

Eh, Bel Air is like 40 mins from towson, 40 mins from White Marsh, 40 mins from Baltimore, and 40 min from just about everywhere else. It's just not -close- to anything but more White suburbia.

[Plow]

I added a spoiler to the sig

BTW the food you are listing here costs way more than $5, especially the taco shell/tort, cheese, seasoning, veggies and beef (which is about 4-5 bucks a pound to begin with).

Spoiler doesn't change shit. 20mb isn't "a lot," but it's a fucking insane amount for a sig. Especially that particular one, I do not comprehend how that's more than like 3 megs.

Put it this way: let's pretend for a moment everyone follows suit and makes a 20 meg sig. Say you show 25 posts per page, and you stumble into a page full of completely different people talking.

Congratulations, you're downloading half a fucking gig when you open that page.

Loaf of bread: 1 dolla
Dozen eggs: 1 dolla
HUEG container of OJ might run $3

So $5

My local grocery store's salad bar is 3.50 or 4 bucks a pound.

Bag of baby carrots: 1 dolla
Good sized chunk of broccoli: 1-2 dolla
thing of dip: 1-2 dolla
bottle of v8: 1 dolla

So 3-5

Taco shells/tortillas: dollar a container of each
seasoning packet: 50c (a dollar for taco bell brand)
pound of ground chuck: 2 bucks
bag of shredded lettuce: 1 dolla
Green pepper: 30-40c
Onion: 15-25c (retardedly easy to grow, too)
tomato: 50c, maybe a buck lately if the shortage had any lingering effects, I dunno not a tomato person

Holy shit, almost up to 6 bucks there! I guess it's a good thing you can feed an entire family with that as opposed to the 1 taco and 1 order of nachos you'd get at taco bell.

[miokomioko]

Sometimes I have no idea how farmers make any money whatsoever anymore.

[Pirian]

Sometimes I have no idea how farmers make any money whatsoever anymore.

Subsidies

[Xiona]

While i can see how it looks like i was attempting to be a douche, i was being sincere in that i didn't realize it was a lot. I also thought the spoiler would help which i guess i was incorrect.

As for the prices of food, I wish it was that inexpensive where I am at. I like making my own tacos and it has always been at least $8. I get the cheapest meat (a lot of the time its a pound of ground turkey which is cheapest and that is still 3-4 bucks a pound), seasoning packet and shells (usually in the combo pack as that prices out to be cheaper sometimes 3-4 bucks), and thats it. If i were to get vegetables then were talking a couple of bucks for lettuce, tomato, onion, and green pepper. Cheese is expensive, even more so shredded but sour cream is about a buck for a sufficient sized container.

The next time i go to the store ill write the prices down of some of the things i see. Where i live, the dollar menu at various places is comparable price wise to meals you would plan and make. This isn't the case with every type of food, but that divide between grocery prices and fast food prices is very slim.

What area do you live in? Im in the; Kingston / New Paltz / Poughkeepsie area of NY.

[Fistandantilus]

I love how almost anytime Plow comes into a thread I completely disagree with everything he says. It's just so reliable.

Also, just LOL at this pill. I think everything that needs to be said already has been. People keep trying to find gimmicks to avoid being fat when they should just realize that being fit isn't very hard if you actually put in some effort.

@Xiaona: Don't forget to take into account prices if you aren't just cooking for 1 person. For example, seasoning may be somewhat expensive if you are just buying enough for that 1 night, but a little jar of taco seasoning is less than 10$ and literally will last like a year. When I moved into my apartment I just stocked up on the seasonings that I like to use often and it is much cheaper. Prices start to look a lot higher when you need to buy every single ingredient for a meal, when it would be much cheaper and easier if you just kept your house stocked with. It's the same with non-seasoning type stuff but those are one of the most obvious I think.

[Atreides]

if you start adding cheese and sour cream in amounts that are considered "expensive" you might as well just eat at taco bell because you're probably consuming just as many calories lol

also vegetables are really just not expensive, if you buy them in season

yeah im sorry but the whole notion that one person's area is somehow too expensive to eat healthy is complete and utter bullshit. Things are expensive here in NJ, where cost of living is through the roof, and I manage just fine. Things are even worse in NYC, LA, or even places where lots of things have to be imported like Hawaii, and you can still manage to find a way to eat healthy that is going to be less expensive compared to how much unhealthy/processed food will cost you. Unless you live in like... north korea, it's doable.

No one wants to take the time to learn about portion control, proper nutrition, research where they can find healthy options and how much things will cost them. They'd rather just buy into the mentality that "healthy food is too expensive" and opt for the path of least resistance, buying all their shit at a single supermarket once a week or going to fast food places because it's just easier. Considering virtually no one knows what 1 "serving" of meat is, or how many calories are in the various foods they eat, or even what's considered "healthy", it's pretty obvious that people's reluctance to make dietary changes are nothing more than unfounded fears.

2200-2400 calories worth of food is not a lot quantity-wise unless you're eating nothing but vegetables, but people's perceptions of portions are so fucked up that the notion of cost balloons out of proportion too. Chances are if you're not eating healthy you're probably overeating too, the amount of money you save by eating the proper amount of calories you'd need for maintenance/weight loss would more than offset the initial cost of getting healthy staple goods into your kitchen.

Still, even if you were living in some sort of grocery Narnia where you can't manage to eat healthy without spending a few extra bucks every month, why wouldn't you just buy 1-2 less video games per year to subsidize the cost so you don't have to spend tens of thousands of dollars later on medication for high cholesterol, heart disease, and the whole host of health problems caused by obesity and poor diet? I agree that children should be taught healthy eating habits from an early age, but it's really never too late to change your own habits as well.

[Plow]

While i can see how it looks like i was attempting to be a douche, i was being sincere in that i didn't realize it was a lot. I also thought the spoiler would help which i guess i was incorrect.

Yeah sorry I don't mean to sound like an ass either heh, but yeah spoilers still load on this site.

As for the prices of food, I wish it was that inexpensive where I am at. I like making my own tacos and it has always been at least $8. I get the cheapest meat (a lot of the time its a pound of ground turkey which is cheapest and that is still 3-4 bucks a pound), seasoning packet and shells (usually in the combo pack as that prices out to be cheaper sometimes 3-4 bucks), and thats it. If i were to get vegetables then were talking a couple of bucks for lettuce, tomato, onion, and green pepper. Cheese is expensive, even more so shredded but sour cream is about a buck for a sufficient sized container.

The next time i go to the store ill write the prices down of some of the things i see. Where i live, the dollar menu at various places is comparable price wise to meals you would plan and make. This isn't the case with every type of food, but that divide between grocery prices and fast food prices is very slim.

What area do you live in? Im in the; Kingston / New Paltz / Poughkeepsie area of NY.

Maybe it is just where you live, around here a "value meal" from Taco bell is about 5 bucks, same with McDonalds, Wendy's is 7-8, and what I listed is basically exactly what I spend when I do it.

I get the umm... del ray I think? taco packs for 2 bucks with sauce, seasoning, and shells. I use my own lettuce, but a bag of strip lettuce is about a buck, and then we pretty much always have "ground beef" for ~2.20 a pound, ground round for about 2.60 a pound, and ground chuck for about 3-3.25 a pound. Onions are 2 bucks for a bag of like 15, and tomatoes are generally about 50c a piece I think.

I live in Kansas, so our dairy/beef/bread products are pretty damn cheap.

But also, even if it came out to a bit more... I get one meal for one person from that 5 bucks at taco bell. Even if I spend say 8-10 bucks on groceries to make the stuff, I'm getting 4-5 individual meals, at least.

I love how almost anytime Plow comes into a thread I completely disagree with everything he says. It's just so reliable.

If you've found a way to disagree with: fat people aren't always 100% responsible for being fat and always lazy, 20 megs is too big of a sig, or that buying and making your own food from the grocery store is cheaper and healthier than buying McDonalds, congratulations, you're a fucktard and I'm quite glad you consider me your antithesis.

[Priran]

People keep trying to find gimmicks to avoid being fat when they should just realize that being fit isn't very hard if you actually put in some effort.

you're right, we should keep hoping that some day everyone becomes self-motivated and responsible and in the mean time, we can take all the money that goes into developing things like the pill in the OP and have almost an entire drop for the bucket that is the cost of an obese populace

[Kuya]

What are you trying to say priran poo, that fat people are profitable?