Yet more Chigoe topic (or Elemental)

[Meian]

Having read the posts here and stuff on wiki, I tried my hand at a Chigoe with innate attack speed bonus. Gave it Thf Traits, Stoneskin, Phalanx, Shell (no space for enspell I believe right now). Was level 7 and it is now 12.

Overall, has been having "a lot" more losses than wins and wasn't sure if to keep going with it or make an elemental. If the elemental route, I saw little info on it including which elemental to use...

[Meian]

So I have my ASP Chigoe at level 50 with Thf Traits, maxed out Stoneskin, Shell, Phalanx, and Dispelling Attack.

Have not fought any Elementals or Mimics yet as the champ currently is a Puktrap creature that looks like a MNK job since it guards and counters. Before him was some Rarab but wasn't sure what it had besides En-Fire which the current champ has too.

Can only get him to about 60% before he beats me.

This Dispelling Attack show when it procs? I haven't seen any message at all as I leveled it up unless these champs aren't using buffs at all.

Starting to wonder if I should use En-Petrify to test but then I'd lose the En-Dispel which was a painnnnnnn to farm ;; Guessing no one reads this forum still but any insight would be great.

[TheTaru]

So I have my ASP Chigoe at level 50 with Thf Traits, maxed out Stoneskin, Shell, Phalanx, and Dispelling Attack.

Have not fought any Elementals or Mimics yet as the champ currently is a Puktrap creature that looks like a MNK job since it guards and counters. Before him was some Rarab but wasn't sure what it had besides En-Fire which the current champ has too.

Can only get him to about 60% before he beats me.

This Dispelling Attack show when it procs? I haven't seen any message at all as I leveled it up unless these champs aren't using buffs at all.

Starting to wonder if I should use En-Petrify to test but then I'd lose the En-Dispel which was a painnnnnnn to farm ;; Guessing no one reads this forum still but any insight would be great.

En-dispel likely never proc'd when you were levelling because the randomly generated mobs have no buffs(I think, been a loooong time), but yes it does show up in log when it procs.

Monktrap with en-fire sounds...strange. The only puktrap type mob I ever saw(that had any success at all) had auto-regain and spammed that sleep TP move, so I don't really know what to tell you. Definitely switch THF traits for instant blink, and think about removing en-dispel and/or use my advice below.

I'd level a couple other good mobs so you can just beat whatever happens to be the champion at the time. I had an: antlion, chigoe, crab, soulflayer, pudding, and a rabbit; and would just throw whatever I knew would win against the current champ, and then switch it with my crab(which only lost 2 pokebattles out of like 500+) to keep getting jettons for however long I wanted.

Yes, I am a Pokemon master.

[Meian]

I did a little research and notice I may not have the innate ASP. Is it suppose to appear on the Soul Reflector itself? I originally thought the soul plate with the move would give it but I guess I was wrong, which'll leave me pretty pissed after all that work XD Would I need to get multiple of the trait plate I want until it shows up on the Soul Reflector?

Guessing the MNK Chigoe with En-Fire didn't have buffs since I fought it several times and got no dispel proc message.

Would be a good time to get a new pet I guess, noticed the ones you listed didn't include a Dark Elemental. Is it still pretty good to use? If so... would this work
Innate Damage Resistance
Phalanx
BLM Scrolls
Ice Spikes
Job Trait: BLM

[TheTaru]

I did a little research and notice I may not have the innate ASP. Is it suppose to appear on the Soul Reflector itself? I originally thought the soul plate with the move would give it but I guess I was wrong, which'll leave me pretty pissed after all that work XD Would I need to get multiple of the trait plate I want until it shows up on the Soul Reflector?

Guessing the MNK Chigoe with En-Fire didn't have buffs since I fought it several times and got no dispel proc message.

Would be a good time to get a new pet I guess, noticed the ones you listed didn't include a Dark Elemental. Is it still pretty good to use? If so... would this work
Innate Damage Resistance
Phalanx
BLM Scrolls
Ice Spikes
Job Trait: BLM

Yeah, you need the trait to show up on the soul reflector. Just get a new chigoe, if you want to be the best that ever was. Dark Elementals are great. I just got bored of levelling new mobs, and already had a solution to anything that consistently became champ.

I have no idea what the FP for everything is, but use something different that BLM scrolls/trait if you want to use an Elemental. Instant Stoneskin and Blink for sure, don't know what else I'd put/have room to put on one.


If you just want a solution to the chigoe(or hell, almost anything), level a pit antlion(the ones that burst out of the ground). They start every Pankration match with Pit Ambush, which absolutely RAPES EVERYTHING. Can one-shot level 50 chigoes at like level 35.

[Meian]

After realizing I didn't get the ASP innate on the Chigoe and the work spent on it, it left me a bit discouraged so I'll prolly just level one other pet for now.

Antlion sound pretty good there, what innate and feral skills do you suggest?

[TheTaru]

After realizing I didn't get the ASP innate on the Chigoe and the work spent on it, it left me a bit discouraged so I'll prolly just level one other pet for now.

Antlion sound pretty good there, what innate and feral skills do you suggest?

Go for Attack Bonus, they can't really get anything else exciting innately. I just loaded mine with a bunch of offensive stuff to make Pit Ambush do more damage(mine was Innate Attack Bonus, STR+25, Attack+15%, Instant Blink, Instant Stoneskin, don't remember what else), but I also saw an en-fire antlion that did very well.

Mine beat chigoes, elementals(if I controlled it and made it side attack), other spellcasters, etc. Antlion was by far my favorite pokemon, and it was actually somewhat fun to level too.

[Meian]

Strange I don't see Attack Bonus for Antlion on Wiki but I'll check it out. Guessing any Antlion will do, the burrowed ones and the ones already out.

Theres a STR +30 one but I'll check out how much is left over to see a 5th, guessing Phalanx or job traits for whatever job Antlions are.

Edit: Guessing it may have to be Burrow Antlion because that's the one that Pit Ambushes. Guides show Antlions can be THF/PLD/DRK/WAR but no Attack Bonus. Unless it is missing or you meant I need the job traits to get Attack Bonus (war and drk) then that would mean I could do another innate =x Maybe wiki wasn't updated

Edit 2: The hell, I can't find any Burrowed Antlions (the too weak ones) lol

Edit 3: Well, farmed some Cave Antlions with BST friend since the TW ones don't pop and got one with Attack Bonus innate (had to trade to npc to see, thought it'd appear on the actual soul reflector)

If going by what you suggested...
Instant Stoneskin = 17
Instant Blink = 12
STR +25 = 17
Attack +15% = 23

This would total 69 and I think the cap is 70 for Antlions meaning I can't put a 5th one nor can I get the Attack +30% either. I feel kind of weird without Shell or Phalanx XD

[TheTaru]

Yeah, the non-burrowing antlions are shit lol. Looking back, I'm pretty sure the things you listed were exactly what I had on mine. I haven't played FFXI since January, and haven't done Pankration since mid-2009. It's hard to remember exact stuff. Haha.

I think you just are/were confused at what innate traits are. The trait on the soul plate has a *chance* of being on the pokemon for free, but it definitely isn't a 100% thing. If it doesn't show up on soul reflector, your pokemon doesn't have it.

Like I said before, I built my antlion just for chigoes/stuff that had low HP. When I used it for killing spellcaster champs, I made it side attack and interrupt spells, making magic damage almost a non-issue. The only mobs it couldn't consistently beat were well-built dark elementals(won like one-third of the time) and this one bunny with auto-regain(I don't think I ever beat it with antlion:/). Stoneskin+blink was more than enough for anything defensively in my experience, but you're welcome to try other things!

Edit: And just because I clearly loved my antlion, doesn't mean it was the absolute best thing ever. Try whatever you think will win; it probably will.

[Meian]

Yeah I didn't realize you had to trade the soul reflector to the npc to see if it got the innate trait or not. I was going by if it was on the actual item under the pet's name and level.

Wouldn't side attacking always be best for the damage? Somewhat Tame Somewhat Aggressive was what I did on the Chigoe for that. I heard somewhere that it can burrow to avoid wses/spells but I dunno how true that is or how effective (doubt it'd Pit Ambush again lol)

Edit: Trying the Antlion out until I get unlazy to do the Chigoe again since that was a pain to put together.

[TheTaru]

Side-attacking is the way to go. I just controlled mine during fights against non auto-generated mobs, since (I think, could be wrong) Mandibular Bite is never used in the temperament that just does side attacks on its own.

It can't burrow to avoid anything. I don't know where you heard that, but it's ridiculous lol.

[Meian]

Got it to 50 with all the abilities mentioned above. There were diff champs but by the time I capped it was the mnk enfire puktrap again. Can only get it to about 40% before losing. When it is about 60% the antlion starts taking damage fast with the blink/stoneskin gone by then. It can get it to 30% when it does Sandtrap around then and starts to avoid hits but that doesn't last too long.

On generated mobs it tears through them like paper really quickly lol

May remake my Chigoe with ASP this time and prolly do En-Petrify but not sure if it can beat the puktrap this way. Think I saw it beat Dark Elementals but wasn't sure what level they were.

Edit: This morning the champ was a Corse with casting tier 1 nukes (and Sleep) and -ga tier 1 (Waterga, Sleepga) along with Stuns. Lost the first time but second time won because Blink absorbed a Sleep for Side Attack damage. Corse was meleeing almost twice as hard as the Antlion. Antlion is current champ now but guessing if that puktrap comes again that won't last long >> lol

Edit 2: Mimic got me, only took it to about 70-80% grr D: Phalanx, High Regen, Shell, Instant Blink, possibly Instant Stoneskin on it.

[TheTaru]

I didn't really see non-chigoes with en-damage too often when I played, but en-petrify chigoe sounds like a good solution.

Mimics are much harder(impossible?) to beat than elementals with antlion, since you can't side attack for damage. I just used my spellcaster mobs for those! Chigoe could probably beat them too.

I'm glad you're at least having a little success with the antlion; seems like you have some weird champs on your server.

[Meian]

It was champ for a while until the Mimic came. Beats generated mobs without even trying.

The Mimic was beating the Puktrap MNK en-fire person but the constant Death Trap stuns kept it from beating it. Doubting En-Petrify would work against the Mimic since it was doing 1-10 damage due to the Phalanx but possibly an En-Spell one.

I noticed some pet, forgot which, casted a regular tier 1 -ga and it did good damage against the Mimic. Sadly, the other nukes were all stunned by Death Trap lol XD May try that Dark Elemental build I mentioned earlier with the BLM scrolls and traits for it...

[TheTaru]

Oh I meant enspell chigoe could beat a mimic; sorry if I typed that weird. They actually beat them quite easily, thinking back to the old days when pankration was popular.

[Meian]

Whew finally got an ASB Chigoe after over 100 plates lol...

Looking back at how mine did before without it, I have two ideas in mind...

En-Spell Fire
Instant Stoneskin
Instant Phalanx
Instant Blink
Instant Shell

Another idea I had was...

En-Fire
Instant Blink
Evasion +15% / AGI+50
Thf Traits (for Evasion Bonus III)
(Edit: no space for Stoneskin)

Not sure if you've seen Evasion builds before and I wonder how it'd do since I don't think most people would use Accuracy Bonus of any type. Was curious more so toward using this for beating MNK Puktrap Enfire and Mimics.

[TheTaru]

I'd go with the first one for sure. Only having blink and evasion(albeit a lot of evasion) for defense on a chigoe seems a little risky to me. I've seen evasion build stuff be very successful, but the first build should win more consistently than the second.

[Meian]

Gave evasion without the AGI part a go to test since they shared the same plates. Was working ok even against the champ which was a white rabbit (lol) and Whirl Claws was never evaded and tore through the Chigoe leaving it to take one more melee damage before going down or another Whirl Claws. Could get it down to about 40-60%. Never side-attacked Whirl Claws (even Antlion).

Tried Antlion on it but couldn't beat it, for some reason kept missing on it often. It gave another Corse champ previously some issues but side attacking didn't always interrupt or didn't do the extra damage because it just swung before moving (if that makes sense). Sandpit is pretty annoying to see over Mandibular Bite which would prolly make a diff otherwise ._. but guessing it can only do that when not side-attacking.

Curious, you say you control when it side-attacks. I normally leave the pets at "somewhat tame, somewhat aggressive" so it can always side attack. You change the temperment if it isn't a spell caster to use mandibular bite during the match? How would you go about that if it takes several commands to change it.

Prolly will work on a Dark Elemental next if the Antlion/Chigoe can't beat the Champ. Will play in Xarc until Dark Elemental spawns for Damage Resistance innate.

Afterwards may try another Chigoe with the same build but with En-Petrify to switch with after it is champ to try to stall win (though it doesn't work on rocs and wind/earth eles and haven't seen other black antlions).

Dark Ele (innate Damage Resistance):
Instant Shell (17)
Instant Stoneskin (17)
Instant Ice Spikes (30)
Instant Blink (12)

76/85 FP... hmm, you mentioned not using BLM scrolls so it would just melee and not cast?


yay lots of rambling and questions sorry D:

[Niiro]

Elementals (and most mobs that normally cast magic) already "know" spells that you'd see them use as regular mobs.

A Dark ele without BLM scrolls will still cast Drain/Aspir/Bio/not sure what else.

Also can always just go to sky if you don't wanna wait around for weather.

[TheTaru]

My antlion was extremely tame, extremely aggressive(frequently uses mandibular bite, but sometimes it chose to use something stupid like sandpit). I don't remember the command to make mobs side attack during a match, but you don't have to change the temperament. My antlion couldn't beat good bunnies. It just isn't possible unless you get reeeeeally lucky I guess.

Elementals will always cast spells regardless of having scrolls or not, like Niiro said. I don't know which exact spells, since I've never used one. Go to sky, waiting for weather is a pain in the ass.

Something I always wanted to try was a warrior(if they can indeed be changed to WAR, like wiki says) elemental. That would be absolutely obnoxious for stalling, but I'm not sure how it'd do against spellcasters.