Random Cataclysm discussion

[LidenbokValour]

I think I will in a span of a few weeks actually, I'll let you know when it happens..

[Arvin]

Heroic Ragnaros is a 30 minute fight.

l o l

[Norellicus]

Heroic Ragnaros is a 30 minute fight.

l o l

wat. How is that even possible

[Guitarman]

wat. How is that even possible

well 380m HP for one.

[avelle]

30 minutes reminds me of some old Everquest fights. That's way too damn long imo.

[Norellicus]

It's not unheard of, 30 minutes being a normal BCNM fight in XI and all, but it's incredibly unusual in WoW...even LK was only what, 12?

[Arvin]

It takes 15 minutes to just get him to the last phase, and according to the guilds who got to it "something fucking awesome happens" and the last phase takes 15 minutes.

[Correction]

It's not unheard of, 30 minutes being a normal BCNM fight in XI and all, but it's incredibly unusual in WoW...even LK was only what, 12?

First set of H.LK25 kills were taking 20 minutes.

Gear + experience (+ the odd hotfix) will grind that number down, but I wonder how long people will have patience for that kind of shit. Kael'thas was what, a 10 minute fight and he wrecked guilds because of the runback and starting over from phase 1. At least LK was the end-end boss of Wrath. What, is H.Deathwing25 going to take an hour and have 15 phases?

[aurik]

Well, LK had a 15 minute enrage timer. I guess including the RP on both ends it was pretty close to 20.

Edit: makes you respect what we did in FFXI, where a typical tiamat took the better part of an hour even for very experienced guilds.

[Correction]

Edit: makes you respect what we did in FFXI, where a typical tiamat took the better part of an hour even for very experienced guilds.

Respect, but not miss, let's not forget the 6 hours of camping for 3 days straight.

[Kaylia]

First set of H.LK25 kills were taking 20 minutes.

Gear + experience (+ the odd hotfix) will grind that number down, but I wonder how long people will have patience for that kind of shit. Kael'thas was what, a 10 minute fight and he wrecked guilds because of the runback and starting over from phase 1. At least LK was the end-end boss of Wrath. What, is H.Deathwing25 going to take an hour and have 15 phases?

Ragnaros is still one of the most powerful being on Azeroth, it would be a shame if he went down easily. It's al'akir who went down too easily!

Edit: makes you respect what we did in FFXI, where a typical tiamat took the better part of an hour even for very experienced guilds.

But none of these fight actually posed a real challenge. Wiping wasnt a common occurence.

[Tajin]

Respect, but not miss, let's not forget the 6 hours of camping for 3 days straight.

Amen to this.

[Katlan]

30 minutes for a major boss isn't anything new, it's just new for WoW. WoW also requires a lot of very precise timing for stuff.. is HM ragnaros extremely execution heavy as well as being an endurance match?

[Arvin]

There is a lot of execution, it's a definite DPS race and it's a challenge to heal. It looks really, really crazy. Aka, not a whole lot of people will see it until they nerf it into the ground.

I mean shit, have you guys seen the DPS requirements for H: Baleroc? lol, after the initial 4 fights the second half of the raid instance is a fucking crazy shitfest.

[Correction]

This strikes me as Blizzard's new gating system. Create 1-2 impenetrable meat shields such that most guilds can't realistically kill it until they've spent 5-6 weeks simply gearing up. Then you make the last boss require NPC help to burn down on heroic mode.

[Arvin]

Some people are being forced to live through the enrage timer on Bale and most are getting through 30sec-1min of it just to finish him off. Crazy shit.

[aurik]

Well Baleroc is probably tuned for having a good portion of your guild in 391 gears, so people killing him with 372s and a few 378s is pretty impressive.

[Correction]

Even berserk his swing timer in decimation mode isn't that bad, so I figure you can use more or less the same tactics as Mortality on Chim. 1m must only be possible in 25m though.

[Correction]

* Wounded Hyjal Defenders should no longer sometimes spawn in with full health and in a standing position when players are on the quest Burn Victims.

Well shit, that's one stupid bug affecting molten front dailies down, about 20 more to go.

[Tajin]

How is that a bug when you can wait 3 - 5 secs for them to get burned and get a quick score if you spam the item?