Random Cataclysm discussion

**CoronA1979** · 2011-09-22 11:49

Completely agree - call it my panties in a bunch if you want but there something to it when a guild that has been stucl at 1/7 or maybe 2/7 HC forever all of a sudden wtihin one night is 6/7 facerolling bosses they've never even pulled on heroic mode before.

Nerfing Normals? Okay. Why the heroics? Shit T11 heroic (some of it) is miles beyond more complicated than T12 now.

Its just dumb. Period.

**Katlan** · 2011-09-22 12:09

Originally Posted by FailureMidgard

Faceroll is boring as all fuck.

It's really way too much way to soon, and took Firelands from fun to trashy.

While I agree... faceroll alysrazor is tons and tons of fun >.> we kill adds so fast now that we have like 1/2 of the raid up in the air dpsing her for like 30 seconds before transition phase. fuckin tanks are in the air lol'ing on vent this week.

This week we basically fought each other for feathers and were ninja'ing em from each other

**Arvin** · 2011-09-22 12:09

Originally Posted by CoronA1979

Completely agree - call it my panties in a bunch if you want but there something to it when a guild that has been stucl at 1/7 or maybe 2/7 HC forever all of a sudden wtihin one night is 6/7 facerolling bosses they've never even pulled on heroic mode before.

Nerfing Normals? Okay. Why the heroics? Shit T11 heroic (some of it) is miles beyond more complicated than T12 now.

Its just dumb. Period.

Because people whine and cry and bitch and moan that content shouldnt be so hard. Luckily they didn't nerf rags health or we would see everyone and their mother with the firelord title.

**FailureMidgard** · 2011-09-22 12:17

Originally Posted by Arvin

Because people whine and cry and bitch and moan that content shouldnt be so hard. Luckily they didn't nerf rags health or we would see everyone and their mother with the firelord title.

I thought this was the point of 2 progressive difficulties. A lot of people moaning about hard content weren't 7/7 normal yet even, so nerf the normals for them and leave heroics for the group heroics were supposed to cater to. The point of this system was to cater to 2 different audiences.

Also, I'm 100% in support of nerfs (even on heroics), but I think they should be gradual, not what just happened.

Also, 1 heal Alysrazor is funny.

**Arvin** · 2011-09-22 12:36

yeah, gradual is the way to go. maybe leading into a nerf this big a week or so before DS is out? probably a lot of casual crybabies were saying how "heroic gear is better, we want to be equal!!!"

**aurik** · 2011-09-22 12:45

DS?

Also in other news, T11 heroics are more difficult than T12, lol....

**Kaylia** · 2011-09-22 12:45

One issue when normal mode are the only one that get nerfed is the gap in skill needed to go from normal to hard mode. When it become too significant (like t11), people are simply unable to do the harder encounter, because they never had the chance to learn the fight properly in the first place. Of course, a good group will manage, but for a pug or a casual guild, it's just too much.

I'm thinking that normal mode nerf atm is some sort of balance test for the "random raid finder". They are probably looking for a difficulty that is easily puggable, but still have the basic mechanics. Heroic were nerfed accordingly to make sure that a large chunk of the population doesn't get stuck on normal mode for the next 2 months as a consequence of the normal mode nerf.

**Kaylia** · 2011-09-22 12:46

Originally Posted by aurik

DS?

Dragon Soul.

**Katlan** · 2011-09-22 13:05

Originally Posted by Kaylia

I'm thinking that normal mode nerf atm is some sort of balance test for the "random raid finder". They are probably looking for a difficulty that is easily puggable, but still have the basic mechanics. Heroic were nerfed accordingly to make sure that a large chunk of the population doesn't get stuck on normal mode for the next 2 months as a consequence of the normal mode nerf.

What's sad is that these current nerfs wont be enough to allow [most] 25 pugs to clear content. It prolly will take the next wave of serious mechanic/adds to be nerfed to allow that to happen. On the other hand, hopefully they make the LFR ilv tool a little more picky on gear it allows

**FailureMidgard** · 2011-09-22 13:07

Originally Posted by Kaylia

One issue when normal mode are the only one that get nerfed is the gap in skill needed to go from normal to hard mode. When it become too significant (like t11), people are simply unable to do the harder encounter, because they never had the chance to learn the fight properly in the first place. Of course, a good group will manage, but for a pug or a casual guild, it's just too much.

Hence gradual.

Do 10% normal mode this week. Give that 2 weeks.
Then up normal to 15 and heroic to 5, give that 1-2 weeks.
Then normal 20 and heroic 10, 1-2 weeks more.
Then normal 25 and heroic 15, 2 weeks more.
Normal 30 heroic 20.
DS release - both 30.

What's sad is that these current nerfs wont be enough to allow [most] 25 pugs to clear content. It prolly will take the next wave of serious mechanic/adds to be nerfed to allow that to happen. On the other hand, hopefully they make the LFR ilv tool a little more picky on gear it allows

People pug 25s? I've never seen 1, haha. But, it's pretty fucking hard to find 15 half competent people when you use trade chat. Did an ICC H-LK pug a bit back, some lock wasn't in the group and got a trap, his name was called a good ~8 seconds before it landed, then 6, then 4, he had a skull on his head, he never moved. People are just really bad...

**aurik** · 2011-09-22 13:12

I remember doing a 25m occuthar where a lock sat in the void zone channeling drain life while the eyes of occuthar were out and needed nuking. People are just really bad.

**Katlan** · 2011-09-22 13:19

Originally Posted by aurik

I remember doing a 25m occuthar where a lock sat in the void zone channeling drain life while the eyes of occuthar were out and needed nuking. People are just really bad.

lol... this one 25m Occuthar I did a while back.. there was the giant puddle on the ground and the shaman was way outside of it, but I watched him run right through the center of it, while spam jumping, in order to get close to the tanks to heal them. Was hysterical

**Kaylia** · 2011-09-22 13:31

Originally Posted by Katlan

What's sad is that these current nerfs wont be enough to allow [most] 25 pugs to clear content. It prolly will take the next wave of serious mechanic/adds to be nerfed to allow that to happen. On the other hand, hopefully they make the LFR ilv tool a little more picky on gear it allows

On normal mode? I don't know about 25, but on 10m, I'm fairly confident that I will be able to go 6/7 most of the time, and down Rag occasionally. Before the nerf, I was at a point where most pug were able to do 4/7 or 5/7, and the only thing killing people in alysrazor fight were the tornado (they are such a joke now). Fandral was always easy, but pug tend to disband after 2hours ish, which is part of the reason why it's hard to get past that point usually

Ragnaros, I'm going to take a guess and say 1 pug out of 3 will be able to do it, as long the raid lead isnt retarded

And by pug, I'm talking about the one where I invite pretty much everyone. You could probably do a few heroic now if you filter baddies.

**aurik** · 2011-09-22 14:29

Rag normal is stupid now...but I can still imagine pugs failing, probably in the intermissions.

We killed him with 1 meteor on normal this week, and our dps is not amazing. Could probably have single-healed it as druid as well.

**Correction** · 2011-09-22 15:40

Originally Posted by aurik

Could probably have single-healed it as druid as well.

To be fair that has more to do with druid heals than rag nerfs :D

**aurik** · 2011-09-22 15:58

Meh, more like the shape of damage in the rag fight is pretty easy to deal with. If you're properly avoiding things, the only time you have important healing to do is during the 2 intermissions.

**FailureMidgard** · 2011-09-22 16:05

Normal Rag is def 1healable by a priest also. Probably other classes too...the only potential problem is range during intermission, but people can survive so long now, you can just catch up after.

Halsey · 2011-09-22 16:45

Originally Posted by CoronA1979

Completely agree - call it my panties in a bunch if you want but there something to it when a guild that has been stucl at 1/7 or maybe 2/7 HC forever all of a sudden wtihin one night is 6/7 facerolling bosses they've never even pulled on heroic mode before.

Nerfing Normals? Okay. Why the heroics? Shit T11 heroic (some of it) is miles beyond more complicated than T12 now.

Its just dumb. Period.

Speaking as someone in one of those shitty guilds that was 3/7 H before last night, now being 5/7, I agree as well

**Meresgi** · 2011-09-23 11:43

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**Katlan** · 2011-09-23 11:52

I AM THE NIGHT

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