Random Cataclysm discussion

**Correction** · 2011-09-27 18:33

Originally Posted by Katlan

think ppl are disappointed that the final raid is a reskinned dragonblight that will prolly have some ambiance changes akin to a Dynamis

Because Dynamis turned people off with its aesthetics?

**Kaylia** · 2011-09-27 18:35

Mount Hyjal layout was used twice, but I don't know many players who complained about it. Hell, most didn't even realized it was the same map because they feel completely different, are approached from a different angle, and tell different story. If they do a good job, it could be the same here.

Personally, I don't mind a rehash for storytelling reason as long I can see an effort somewhere else in the raid. I will need more than a bridge coming out of the lava to impress me if Dragonblight is left intact.

**Meresgi** · 2011-09-27 18:43

Originally Posted by Kaylia

Mount Hyjal layout was used twice, but I don't know many players who complained about it. Hell, most didn't even realized it was the same map because they feel completely different, are approached from a different angle, and tell different story. If they do a good job, it could be the same here.

Hyjal was used for the raid before the leveling content, AND we had an entire expansion in between those before it was reused again. But like I said, I'm going to reserve final judgement till we see some in game shots and stuff, but right now its looking very small. My issue isn't the copy pasta so much as it's the copypasta within such a small field. What about maybe fighting near a fallen Naxxramas? Or what about the alliance and horde bases in that area? Or the actual dragonshrines in the area? *shrug* maybe they are included, which would be cool, but like I stated before, I can already see 8 boss fight placements set out in just those maps.

**Katlan** · 2011-09-27 18:45

Originally Posted by Correction

Because Dynamis turned people off with its aesthetics?

Dynamis was awesome back in the day (can't speak for how it is now)

Originally Posted by Kaylia

I will need more than a bridge coming out of the lava to impress me if Dragonblight is left intact.

no shit, worst excuse for a CS ever. SSC's bridge was way more epic and that didn't need a CS

**Kaylia** · 2011-09-27 18:57

Originally Posted by Correction

Because Dynamis turned people off with its aesthetics?

Exactly. I'm pretty sure most of us remember the first time we entered Dynamis better than most content we did. The music, the mood...that shit was scary! Five years down the line, not so much, but the aesthetics were still right.

**Boyiee** · 2011-09-27 20:16

I don't see the problem with dragonblight. They said there will be what, 7-8 bosses with deathwing twice?

If they make Dragonblight ground mounts only, thats a big fucking instance. Run around in a giant circle and kill all 3-4 bosses on outside. Into tower, 1-3 bosses going up levels. Then fight the first deathwing fight where you get on his back flying towards the maelstrom - then the last fight being AT the maelstrom.

You guys are starting to sound like mmo-champion/blizzard forums

**Meresgi** · 2011-09-27 21:30

Did they say they were making Dragonblight only mounts? I would actually enjoy that, I miss the old AQ40 needing mounts and shit. Also isn't 8 bosses including deathwing twice? Or did I misread that statement on MMO-Champion?

**Katlan** · 2011-09-27 22:10

I dont like that they are changing shred glyph to also work for mangle. All that means is they intend to do more fights where its a pita to atk from behind and less melee friendly

**vrumpt** · 2011-09-28 00:13

Deathwing's fights sound really cool. I know its the same boss multiple times but i like fighting multiple forms like that, reminds me of old FF villains with the way they have different forms across the game. Yeah this is back to back to back but still I think its a pretty neat allusion to those epic encounters.

**Correction** · 2011-09-28 00:34

Tyrande's looking good :D

**Guitarman** · 2011-09-28 02:02

Horns on the red drake mounts are ridiculously huge. Really needs to be toned down.

**Siniroth** · 2011-09-28 06:49

Spoiler: show

What.

Holy

Divine Hymn now heals up to 5 targets, up from 3. Maximum of 20 heals, up from 12.
State of Mind has been replaced with Heavenly Voice Increases the healing done by your Divine Hymn spell by 50/100%, and reduces the cooldown by 2.5/5 minutes.

Discipline

Atonement now affect a friendly target within 100 yards, up from 15.

Thank fucking god, now I can stop hearing all the QQ about them needing to buff Divine Hymn for holy. Atonement change is nice I suppose, I don't use it often but when I do there are times I'd like it to reach a little further.

Further edit: PTR stuff, as far as I'm aware.

**Slott** · 2011-09-28 09:01

Originally Posted by Katlan

I dont like that they are changing shred glyph to also work for mangle. All that means is they intend to do more fights where its a pita to atk from behind and less melee friendly

It's a huge gain for fights such as al'akir and rag where we couldn't get behind utilizing the most efficient strategies, soloing, etc. It's a big QoL upgrade, and something many ferals have been asking for, for a while. DPE between shred and mangle is marginal compared to mangle vs shred + rip timer, although once we get 2t13 it won't be as important.

**Katlan** · 2011-09-28 10:37

Originally Posted by Slott

It's a huge gain for fights such as al'akir and rag where we couldn't get behind utilizing the most efficient strategies, soloing, etc. It's a big QoL upgrade, and something many ferals have been asking for, for a while. DPE between shred and mangle is marginal compared to mangle vs shred + rip timer, although once we get 2t13 it won't be as important.

Oh I agree, and I like the change... but after hearing how they are buffing melee in raids and stuff, I only see it as an excuse for blizzard to make more fights where you can't atk from behind

**Correction** · 2011-09-28 11:51

Originally Posted by Katlan

Oh I agree, and I like the change... but after hearing how they are buffing melee in raids and stuff, I only see it as an excuse for blizzard to make more fights where you can't atk from behind

Given what we've heard about it, that seems pretty much a given for most of the Deathwing fight.

**Draygon** · 2011-09-28 17:05

"... These powers include a stacking increase to Agility which builds until dark wings unfurl from the rogue’s back, removing the combo point cost and increasing damage of finishing moves for a short time."

wat.

**Arvin** · 2011-09-28 17:46

deathwing is gonna be a fun fight :3

**The Stig** · 2011-09-29 03:21

Season 11 sets; all =

Especially DK. Looks suspiciously like T10

But they all look boring in general.

**Meresgi** · 2011-09-29 09:34

What the fuck @ Death Knight pvp set...looks mighty familiar...hmmm

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...r/warrior1.jpg

I think Paladin and rogue look pretty badass imo though, the paladin especially looks like it's really in depth.

But my question is...most pvp tiers build on the previous tier...so why do none of these look like the previous pvp sets at all? Warrior went from being plate with spikes and fire to being fucking Viking tribal shit.

Also where the fuck is my DK Tier 13? They released all classes AND pvp but still not dk tier?

**The Stig** · 2011-09-29 10:12

Originally Posted by Meresgi

Also where the fuck is my DK Tier 13? They released all classes AND pvp but still not dk tier?

Hero Class. Wait for it

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