Random Cataclysm discussion

[Gulkeeva]

ag yeah the first 4 bosses are easy , hardest is the mage boss with the ice/lightning in LFR (people derp so ahrd on that).

GOt a normal 10man group;.. did mage boss... shit is easier then LFR... 2 people can link the lightning around the boss to the... nodes and clear that phse in seconds wtf >.>

unfortunately my pug for ultraaxwhatever was failing on dps.... needed 3 healers to even survive apparently, and I was the "only" one to do over 25K dps (I was doing about 28-30K depending on how many fading light's I got)

Of course you'd have to account that you don't see others dps while doing so... but my recount showed people at 20K'ish dps (not like I do any dps either while phased out)... and the boss was at 18% HP at about 6min mark... >.>


gonna probably try looking up another pug for next week... 2 day raid week pug is kinda meh, need a 3-4 day at least pug!

[Guitarman]

cataclysm ending is horrid.

[ringthree]

cataclysm ending is horrid.

It was not as conclusive as LK, but I wouldn't call it horrid.

They know Cata was not what they wanted it to be, and just wanted to close the door to get to Mists faster. I think we are going to get the Mists beta faster than people expect.

[aurik]

They're slamming the door on cata as fast as they can. With good reason, they've gotten slaughtered on subscribers this past year.

7/8 DS this week and we only raided 7 hours, with a good 2 hours of that spent in firelands farming for our nearly-complete 2nd legendary. And the only reason we didn't kill 8/8 is because Madness is buggy as shit. It's kinda retarded going through the 10 minutes of phase 1 only to have DW not transition into phase 2 and instead float there with 20% life forever.

Oh well, I'm sure it'll be hotfixed by next week.

edit: also in firelands, when we went to kill Rhyolith, he now moves like molasses which makes keeping up with the volcanos very tough. Also the first time we pulled, when he transitioned he was classified as friendly and nobody could attack him and he just raped us gg blizz.

[Guitarman]

6/8 in about the same amount of time as you aurik. would have spine down but we keep losing a handful of members during the parachute CS. hoping it gets resolved quickly.

[Katlan]

6/8 here first week also. Hard normal content is hard. Hardest normal content of this expac was t11

[Kaylia]

How long is the Random Raid finder queue for healer and dps? I'm not used to 1 hour queue on tank and it make me feel uncomfortable.

[SamanosukeShiva]

almost instant on heal and dps, like 3 min max maybe if ur unlucky

[Meresgi]

Holy jesus the Deathwing fight is tuned really tight. Went in to do a 10man with 2 tanks, 3 healers and 5 dps, all our dps were doing 42k+dps, one was at 50k and we wiped at 3% just from the damage piling up. No idea what we could do differently as we burst most everything down, even the hemorrhaging blood adds all died in 1 round of AoE on them.

[FailureMidgard]

6/8 in about the same amount of time as you aurik. would have spine down but we keep losing a handful of members during the parachute CS. hoping it gets resolved quickly.

Supposedly this is related to ingame resolution either not matching or having a different dimension ratio than your monitor's resolution. Aka, if your monitor 1440x900, you need to be playing in some multiple of that or it will crash every time. I didn't have the problem myself, but a friend did and that's what he said he found when searching around, so it's worth a shot.

Holy jesus the Deathwing fight is tuned really tight. Went in to do a 10man with 2 tanks, 3 healers and 5 dps, all our dps were doing 42k+dps, one was at 50k and we wiped at 3% just from the damage piling up. No idea what we could do differently as we burst most everything down, even the hemorrhaging blood adds all died in 1 round of AoE on them.

Eh, it's only tight maybe if you opt to use as few DPS as possible. It's been killed so far with:
1 tank, 3 heal
2 tank, 2 heal
2 tank, 3 heal
1 tank, 2 heal (I think).

It's really not tightly tuned at all imo..

[Meresgi]

I dont see how you could possibly 1 tank 2 heal that fight with the amount of dmg going out for Tetanus, unless our tanks were just terrible and not CDing the right stuff.

[Correction]

Eh, it's only tight maybe if you opt to use as few DPS as possible. It's been killed so far with:
1 tank, 3 heal
2 tank, 2 heal
2 tank, 3 heal
1 tank, 2 heal (I think).

It's really not tightly tuned at all imo..

How many of those kills were without one piece of 391/397 gear (rep ring notwithstanding)?

[FailureMidgard]

How many of those kills were without one piece of 391/397 gear (rep ring notwithstanding)?

I'm gonna go with 0...how do you get to madness and have 0 397 gear in your raid...that'd be an impressive feat. Fact remains it's not that tightly tuned.


To Meresgi - not sure, we did 2 tanks 2 healers and our alt raid is most likely going to kill it Monday with 2tank 2healer also. Realize though that if you did 1tank 2heal it, you have nearly 50% more DPS than you have, meaning stuff dies faster and does less damage in the end.

[aurik]

Depending on your comp, you'd also change the order of platforms in phase 1.

[Katlan]

I'm gonna go with 0...how do you get to madness and have 0 397 gear in your raid...that'd be an impressive feat. Fact remains it's not that tight

That comment went right over ur head.

[niwaar]

How long is the Random Raid finder queue for healer and dps? I'm not used to 1 hour queue on tank and it make me feel uncomfortable.

1 hour? Even when I solo queued my Blood DK it only took 10minutes. It really took an hour because I kept cancelling out on the 2/8 and 3/8s though.

[Meresgi]

What platform order did you do Midgar? I'm guessing Green > Bronze > Blue > red? In our 10man we were doing Green > Blue > Bronze > red to make sure we only had one elementium bolt impact to save the healers mana. We could get into phase 2 quite often, but it all fell apart on the 2nd set of adds that came out, since when they died, we had time to get Deathwing to 3% before the overwhelming fire AoE from him did us in.

[Kaylia]

1 hour? Even when I solo queued my Blood DK it only took 10minutes. It really took an hour because I kept cancelling out on the 2/8 and 3/8s though.

Today isnt as bad as it was(~20minutes), but when I posted, the queue average wait time was at 55 minutes

[The Stig]

I think the best way to get a fresh run is to just shout for 5-10 people to join you to "force" a 0/8 group as the game is forced to make a fresh group. That's what I intend to do later this week before reset.

[Guitarman]

What platform order did you do Midgar? I'm guessing Green > Bronze > Blue > red? In our 10man we were doing Green > Blue > Bronze > red to make sure we only had one elementium bolt impact to save the healers mana. We could get into phase 2 quite often, but it all fell apart on the 2nd set of adds that came out, since when they died, we had time to get Deathwing to 3% before the overwhelming fire AoE from him did us in.

I'm not midgar but we did green > red > yellow > blue iirc