Random Cataclysm discussion

[LD]

They're modified female dranny models with WOTLK upgraded skins.

Shit, THAT'S what it is. I thought there was something up about it.

I'd have to agree then, something as lazy as that wont work out well. The shots have 'work in progress', so I'm still somewhat hopeful, but odds are this is pretty close to the final product.

More muscle, a slight hunch maybe? I still stand by the face, it looks wolfish enough while exhibiting obvious sexual dimorphism. You can go on about furfaggotry all you want, but having werewolves that only look slightly smaller, but otherwise the same would cause too much whining.

[vrumpt]

They're modified female dranny models with WOTLK upgraded skins.

huh. i never saw that before, wow. Dammit bliz why are you so damn lazy with your skeletal structures.

First you give druids the bear mount model for bear form (aka giant ass in screen), now this horseshit for female worgen. not cool.

[Koul]

the body looks like UD female to me. saggy tits

[LD]

meh, like a town away from UC, could be a regional thing.

[Lucavi]

You guys didn't notice it before? Huh. Guess I have a keen eye or something. I knew people that didn't know that Geists were Undead Females before I told them.

But yeah, Blizz loves to recycle, recolor, and retexture their models, but a discerning (and critical) eye can see through their BS most of the time. As soon as I saw the waist and the reverse joint legs, I knew it was just a dranny with a new head popped on top and possibly some new animations. I don't even know if they'll get new basic animations - Taunka certainly didn't.

I can see their fancy transformation and perhaps their specials, like dancing, but I envision their battle animations to be dranny all the way - it would be too much trouble for blizz to separate human and worgen animations any other way.

[Eaglestrike]

Is too bad they don't seem to recycle with good reason. I can see a lot of models being used if it was something like trolls and night elves as the lore leads it to be believed that trolls are THE major ancestor and predated the night elves, so night elves evolved from trolls. So it'd make sense for them to have similar structures and all that. But I'm not sure they even do.

Draenei and Worgen have no link whatsoever in any current lore. Not any bit, at all, anywhere. So there's no way there's a reason for reusing the skeletal structures based on lore.

[Correction]

But yeah, Blizz loves to recycle, recolor, and retexture their models, but a discerning (and critical) eye can see through their BS most of the time. As soon as I saw the waist and the reverse joint legs, I knew it was just a dranny with a new head popped on top and possibly some new animations.

Hate to burst your bubble there Lieutenant Caine, but

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=3851#screenshots:id=7559

A discerning eye would also note that worgen limb structure and stances predate draenei in the game by a wide margin.

[Lucavi]

You certainly aren't bursting my bubble. NPC Worgen models look nothing like the structure of the female PC Worgen models, which -are- retextured dranny models.

NPC Worgen =/= female PC Worgen.
Female Dranny = retextured Female PC Worgen.

Again, there's no bursting my bubble because you aren't even aiming at my proverbial bubble.

[[Cookies]]

If you bothered to spend a minute or so in ModelViewer you'd notice that Worgen Female in fact DON'T use the same model as a Draenei Female. You're just seeing the similar leg structure and putting 2 and 2 together.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/171/worgenfemale.png

Then there's the fact that the Worgen Female model is still a work in progress.

[Meresgi]

If you bothered to spend a minute or so in ModelViewer you'd notice that Worgen Female in fact DON'T use the same model as a Draenei Female. You're just seeing the similar leg structure and putting 2 and 2 together.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/171/worgenfemale.png

Then there's the fact that the Worgen Female model is still a work in progress.

You apparently need new eyes. First off your two models are at different angles, i'm sure the worgen is smaller but that doesnt matter. The legs are exactly the same, the worgen have a slight protrusion on the back of the leg but that can be accomplished by just pulling polygons out a little. Second the stomach/chest is exactly the same along with the arms, the way they armor is being worn shows this off. The head is different, granted the ears of the worgen are just shortened horns from the Draenei, but the snout is different. So the only 2 differences, the snout+protrusion are just a product of pulling polygons out a little bit and smoothing them.

Rest of the models is exactly the same, even the feet are the same

A discerning eye would also note that worgen limb structure and stances predate draenei in the game by a wide margin.

Like Lucavi said, female worgen have not existed pre-draenei as these are new models that ARE clones of the draenei ones. Also even if they did exist prior to draenei that would still confirm the point that was "But yeah, Blizz loves to recycle, recolor, and retexture their models..."

Draenei and Worgen have no link whatsoever in any current lore. Not any bit, at all, anywhere. So there's no way there's a reason for reusing the skeletal structures based on lore.

WoTLK should have shown you that Lore now takes a backseat to w/e Metzen and Co think is "cool". The people who wrote the original lore of Warcraft went off to make Guild Wars/HGL/Torchlight and other shit.

[[Cookies]]

It's hard to work with the Blizzard screenshots as they are all on funky angles. Maybe this'll help.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3884/worgenf1.png
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5992/worgenf2.png

Don't give me the "they just extended some polygons!" bullshit, even if that were the case it's still not a retexture. And if you really think that it is a retexture, you are retarded.

[Krye]

Oh man, Blizz is going to start selling gold.

I don't want to be Mr. Conspiracy Theory, but how could "No. We will never sell in-game gold for real world currency." come back to haunt you?

Everything in the game, even long standing bedrocks, can change. I get that. But, even gold for real money can't be carved into stone and absolutely ruled out?

I'm not going to jump forward and purport to know exactly what the business model will look like for WoW in the indefinite future as we continue to release expansions and other games. If this sounds like tip-toeing around the question, I apologize. It's an honest answer

[sy.ste]

' I'm saying the designs are unappealing because they look too much like a furfag's fantasy sketchbook

...is what I thought you would say. Your judgement is clouded by your twisted mind and perverse imaginations.

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The female worgen does look like a sleazy copy of female draenei, even the sit motion seems very similar. Hopefully the final product will be more muscular and ferocious.

[Norellicus]

Are you ever capable of just entering a discussion here without talking down to any opposing thought or just generally sounding like a complete fucking snob?

[Correction]

...is what I thought you would say. Your judgement is clouded by your twisted mind and perverse imaginations.

Suddenly, being anti-furry is twisted and perverse.

I don't even know why I let myself respond to you, ever.

[Koul]

...is what I thought you would say. Your judgement is clouded by your twisted mind and perverse imaginations.

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The female worgen does look like a sleazy copy of female draenei, even the sit motion seems very similar. Hopefully the final product will be more muscular and ferocious.

or it's a matter of personal taste? it looks pretty furfaggy to me. what, exactly, makes his judgement clouded. god, the way you type is pompous and full of douche.

[vrumpt]

its not a simple retexture as in just making the model a different color and giving it a different head but its still damn obvious they started with the female dreanai model and worked off of it.

Had they started from scratch the female worgen would have looked far more unique and interesting. Unless they did start from scratch and whoever designed the model lacks some creativity. At least the head looks good.

[Lucavi]

Its extremely obvious that they didn't start from scratch. There's more than one way to design a reverse-joint model (just look at the Armored Core series - they do it all the time!).

I'm not hating on Blizz. I don't know a company in existence that produces this kind of content and doesn't recycle, but c'mon man. Billions in profit. Employees that supposedly love their job and love coming in every day. Access to the best designers, artists and coders on the market, with the financial clout to bring them in.

Spice this shit up, please.

Even if it -is- still a work in progress, the models aren't going to be so far advanced compared to the Vanilla models. This is good (because I'm horde and don't have any fancy models to look at other than anorexic women and... deep-voiced women), but bad because it gives the illusion that player and NPCs that use player models will always take a back seat in the game.

[vrumpt]

Its extremely obvious that they didn't start from scratch. There's more than one way to design a reverse-joint model (just look at the Armored Core series - they do it all the time!).

I'm not hating on Blizz. I don't know a company in existence that produces this kind of content and doesn't recycle, but c'mon man. Billions in profit. Employees that supposedly love their job and love coming in every day. Access to the best designers, artists and coders on the market, with the financial clout to bring them in.

Spice this shit up, please.

Even if it -is- still a work in progress, the models aren't going to be so far advanced compared to the Vanilla models. This is good (because I'm horde and don't have any fancy models to look at other than anorexic women and... deep-voiced women), but bad because it gives the illusion that player and NPCs that use player models will always take a back seat in the game.

only thing i can think of is Blizz is deep into development of their next MMO and a lot of their staff are over there leaving WoW a little shorthanded.

[6souls]

Goblin female dance for Cataclysm inspired by "Single Ladies" by Beyonce.

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